crazybuckfan40
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If you line Ginn up in the slot you don't have to send him over the middle. It is simply a mismatch problem. You also don't put a 6'4'' reciever in the slot.
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zincfinger
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To me, Ginn's greatest attribute on offense, aside from his speed/elusiveness, is his versatility. That being said, I see no reason why the staff wouldn't utilize him similarly to what they did late in the season last year: moving him around in a variety of alignments and sets to keep the defense guessing and to create stark mismatches. In short, I expect to see TG lining up regularly at wideout, in the slot, and in the backfield.crazybuckfan40 said:
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IronBuckI
Calmer than you are.
YSU Penguin Football DigestTaosman said:
Take notice of the amount of games where YSU scores over 30 points. The concept of Coach Tressel simply being a conservative coach is wrong. He's an adaptable coach. If he doesn't have the horses, he won't try to run with them. When he's got a team like the one we think we'll have next year, he'll be able to do a lot more.
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BucksinFL
Buckeye fan for life.....
I think what we are going to see is something similiar to 2002. I think one of the RBs will break out and have a big game in the Miami(oh) and im talking around 140 yards with 2 tds and a 6 YPC average with him sharing time with the other two RBs sparingly, but tressel will stick with the thoroughbred whomever that may be(my money is on Haw).
Tressel will want to average 200 yards rushing and 230 yards passing for a good balance with about 30+ pts a game.
Granted, we have potentially a much better and more consistant offense than in 2002 because we are loaded at the QB position, the RB position, the WR position, the TE position, and on the OLine. When is the last time that weve had THIS much of a problem as depth is concerned? Two years ago we knew whom the starters were and that was it, no arguing. This year at key positions we have alot of talent lobbying for playing time. I believe we will develope a RB combo that will absolutely KILL teams late in the year. If Zwick limits the mistakes and gains confidence. He has the potential to be one of the best QBs in OSU history and we will never see Smith on the field again.
I loved Craig Krenzel because he was a true leader and very intelligent, BUT admit it...you about pulled your hair out with fear every time he dropped back didnt ya?
Tressel will want to average 200 yards rushing and 230 yards passing for a good balance with about 30+ pts a game.
Granted, we have potentially a much better and more consistant offense than in 2002 because we are loaded at the QB position, the RB position, the WR position, the TE position, and on the OLine. When is the last time that weve had THIS much of a problem as depth is concerned? Two years ago we knew whom the starters were and that was it, no arguing. This year at key positions we have alot of talent lobbying for playing time. I believe we will develope a RB combo that will absolutely KILL teams late in the year. If Zwick limits the mistakes and gains confidence. He has the potential to be one of the best QBs in OSU history and we will never see Smith on the field again.
I loved Craig Krenzel because he was a true leader and very intelligent, BUT admit it...you about pulled your hair out with fear every time he dropped back didnt ya?
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bukIpower
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No I didn't pull my hair out when CK went back. I usually just started saying WOSAHHH WOSAHHH.....
Anyways, Good post 40. I agree completely and its nice to see someone start talk'n about actual football formations cuz it shows you know alot bout football.
I share the excitement, but I also am a little worried. Only reason I'm worried is because I don't want to see JT try to make this a running team. Now I believe Tressel will for sure stick with what was working last year (atleast I hope). I'm not perdicting a juggernaught of an offense like Boise or Lousiville but I don't think an offense like what California did is too far off. I hope and pray that we just don't go back to our old ways thats all.
Anyways, Good post 40. I agree completely and its nice to see someone start talk'n about actual football formations cuz it shows you know alot bout football.
I share the excitement, but I also am a little worried. Only reason I'm worried is because I don't want to see JT try to make this a running team. Now I believe Tressel will for sure stick with what was working last year (atleast I hope). I'm not perdicting a juggernaught of an offense like Boise or Lousiville but I don't think an offense like what California did is too far off. I hope and pray that we just don't go back to our old ways thats all.
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crazybuckfan40
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Thanks man, but there is no way that Jt makes this a running team unless we are putting up 250 a game and doing it with ease. We have way too many weapons to use in the passing game. Now if he is running reverses with Ginn and Holmes and Smith is getting 50 yds. a game a we are only throwing 15 times that is ok, but no way do we hand the ball off more than 50% of the time.
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bucksn'boobs
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crazybuckfan40 said:
Good point, Tress seems to control the ball using the ground game, no matter how it is carried out. If he is determined to run the ball, he will find a way. I can see more direct snaps to Ginn after what he did in the Alamo Bowl.
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kippy1040
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IronBuckI said:
IronBuck is pretty close with this post here. He hits the nail on the head. Tressel has a strong mind when it comes to knowing the capabilities of his players and what they can do. All the way from the starting defense and offensive people down to the scout squads tht prepares during the days before the big game. My case in point is this----------- take a good look at our past 3 bowl games. All games were in a different format or look. Miami, Kansas State, & the Pokes had difficulte times in trying to figure Ohio State. But this year of 2005, this team is extra loaded I believe. God only knows what we will expect. I hope the expectation aren't too high cause after all its still gonna be "TresselBall" and I guess he will have us all second guessing him in game situations. He has done it before and he will do it again i guess :ohwell: :ohwell:
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Let's play devil's advocate here: What o-line? I didn't see us run consistently all year... possible exception being the Alamo Bowl. Late in the Michigan game and trying to just get a first down to run time off the clock, the bucks couldn't do it. They couldn't run against Wisconsin, Marshall, Iowa, and take away three nice long runs and they had nothing against Cincinnati on the ground. Most of the rushing yardage against Michigan came from scrambles. It's been a long time since the bucks could line up in the I and push the other guy off the line.
This team is loaded with speed. They look deep at wide receiver. BUT: It looks like running back by committee. There's a huge question at QB and last of all, I don't see anyone outside of Mangold who looks to be All-Big 10, let alone All-American, on the o-line.
Again, I'm playing devil's advocate here. The team will be solid because of defense again, but I have reservations about this offense.
This team is loaded with speed. They look deep at wide receiver. BUT: It looks like running back by committee. There's a huge question at QB and last of all, I don't see anyone outside of Mangold who looks to be All-Big 10, let alone All-American, on the o-line.
Again, I'm playing devil's advocate here. The team will be solid because of defense again, but I have reservations about this offense.
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We were able to run on a pretty good PSU defense.
scUM we were able to run every time we were on our 1, which is the hardest time to do so. In fact we not only ran well, we had big 9-15 yard runs at least once per 3 downs in taht situation.
When we are not in total tresselball, conservative mode (which we were at the end) and we are still threatening to pass, I think our run game can be effective.
I agree that we need more work tho before we'll be totally confident. However I think with the progress our new OL guy got in just half a season, we should be excited about what he can do all spring/summer with our depth at the position. Plus Haw is even faster than pittman (who avged 5 ypc, so that proves we can run, he just had issues that kept him off of the field), and can take more hits (which means more broken tackles).
scUM we were able to run every time we were on our 1, which is the hardest time to do so. In fact we not only ran well, we had big 9-15 yard runs at least once per 3 downs in taht situation.
When we are not in total tresselball, conservative mode (which we were at the end) and we are still threatening to pass, I think our run game can be effective.
I agree that we need more work tho before we'll be totally confident. However I think with the progress our new OL guy got in just half a season, we should be excited about what he can do all spring/summer with our depth at the position. Plus Haw is even faster than pittman (who avged 5 ypc, so that proves we can run, he just had issues that kept him off of the field), and can take more hits (which means more broken tackles).
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crazybuckfan40
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There was one reason why we didnt run in the beginning of the season and it had nothing to do with our o-line. They were puttin 8 in the box and when you have a sad runner like Flydell that just couldnt find the holes it was really a bad situation. Now let a team put 8 in the box and can we say td ginn or holmes or Gonzo. If you put 8 in the box you have no help over the top and Ginn can outrun any db anyday and gonzo can outrun any lb any day.
So our o-line will only have to move 7 instead of 8. All we will have a back with more speed and more vision to see the holes. This making it so much easier on the o-line. Also I am going to out on a limb here and say Boone will make the all freshmen big ten team.
So our o-line will only have to move 7 instead of 8. All we will have a back with more speed and more vision to see the holes. This making it so much easier on the o-line. Also I am going to out on a limb here and say Boone will make the all freshmen big ten team.
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I think all this run v pass thing is still a work in progress...
There are still- even with the late season improvement- plenty of issues to work out on the O-line... and IMO... pass blocking is still their strength (relatively speaking anyway)...
Also, there is still the issue of Tailback-- talent, fit, durability, depth--- and how the guys we have are best used... We pretty much have speed backs, so I don't necessarily see a power running game (with a lot of 2 TE sets, etc) as being a real mainstay. (Sure Haw is a bigger kid, but, when everyone talks about him... what do they talk about? Speed.)
Anyway... Get ready for a lot of spread... I don't mean fun n' gun spread... I mean option spread... both short and vertical passing... using space... Both QB's will have to run some... lots of attacking to perimeter... misdirection running plays, etc.... Shot Ginn is right out of the Urban Meyer Option book... so... I think a lot of thought is going to be given to merely creating space for the WR's and Fast Backs to Work....
There are still- even with the late season improvement- plenty of issues to work out on the O-line... and IMO... pass blocking is still their strength (relatively speaking anyway)...
Also, there is still the issue of Tailback-- talent, fit, durability, depth--- and how the guys we have are best used... We pretty much have speed backs, so I don't necessarily see a power running game (with a lot of 2 TE sets, etc) as being a real mainstay. (Sure Haw is a bigger kid, but, when everyone talks about him... what do they talk about? Speed.)
Anyway... Get ready for a lot of spread... I don't mean fun n' gun spread... I mean option spread... both short and vertical passing... using space... Both QB's will have to run some... lots of attacking to perimeter... misdirection running plays, etc.... Shot Ginn is right out of the Urban Meyer Option book... so... I think a lot of thought is going to be given to merely creating space for the WR's and Fast Backs to Work....
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BuckeyeFROMscUM said:
Against PSU we ran 44 times for 143 yards (3.2 ypc). I'm not so sure I'd consider that being "able to run". Also, against Michigan, the only times our RBs (actually, only Joe) were able to run with any effectiveness was from near our goal line. From about our 30 yard line onward our RBs couldn't run well, and as everyone saw they got totally stuffed on Michigan's two goal line stands. In fact, other than Joe's 5 carries for 41 yards from inside our 30 yard line, our running backs had 23 carries for 21 yards...under a yard a carry.
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Fair enough. We had a decent amount of success against PSU and then went ultra conservative and had more trouble. scUM we did struggle to run on their goalline which is usually easier than our own goalline, yet we did the opposite of the typical performance. Our OL definitely still needs work, but if we have Smith, Ginn, Gonzo, and Holmes worrying defenses (as well as Haw's speed for misdirection plays and sweeps), we should have an easier time running the ball.MililaniBuckeye said:
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I think Mili's point... and maybe I'm wrong... is that we're an awful long way from being able to just line up and run on people. (Also, the assuptions about Haw's abilities are somewhat premature... considering his --well-- let's say limited game experience)
Even if you take Joe's successful runs against scum... they were taking advantage of the D... not, "According to Hoyle" power running....
At any rate... I'm the first advocate for a power running game... I love it... BUT... I look at this team and I don't see the personnel in place to do the old Pound them and then go over the top out of an I, or whatever...
Now.. that personnel might be in place (coached up) by fall... but what I see is a whole hell of a lot of speed.... and when you have speed, you need to make your opponent defend in space... this isn't my preference.. but it is what it is.
To be honest, I think, considering that, the tailback most likely to start is the one who can catch and run the best.
But... if Smith is at QB (and even zwick gives enough of a threat with his legs) and then you have the top 3 WR's... any of the three TB's... andyou have 4 or 5 guys that you don't want to gaurd with one player before you get to TE or FB or whatever.... find ways to get these guys room and you'll be able to move the football.
Even if you take Joe's successful runs against scum... they were taking advantage of the D... not, "According to Hoyle" power running....
At any rate... I'm the first advocate for a power running game... I love it... BUT... I look at this team and I don't see the personnel in place to do the old Pound them and then go over the top out of an I, or whatever...
Now.. that personnel might be in place (coached up) by fall... but what I see is a whole hell of a lot of speed.... and when you have speed, you need to make your opponent defend in space... this isn't my preference.. but it is what it is.
To be honest, I think, considering that, the tailback most likely to start is the one who can catch and run the best.
But... if Smith is at QB (and even zwick gives enough of a threat with his legs) and then you have the top 3 WR's... any of the three TB's... andyou have 4 or 5 guys that you don't want to gaurd with one player before you get to TE or FB or whatever.... find ways to get these guys room and you'll be able to move the football.
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