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Here's a sobering idea: Bring back Prohibition

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ST. LOUIS Cardinals relief pitcher Josh Hancock was killed in an automobile accident. Reports indicate that his blood-alcohol content was almost twice that of the legal limit in Missouri.

Hancock's father is now suing the restaurant that served him drinks.

University of Mary Washington President William Frawley is hit with two driving-under-the-influence citations in as many days and loses his job.

Paris Hilton is going to jail following a DUI conviction.

We can no longer tolerate such incidents. The time for action is now! We must outlaw alcohol.

That's right, Prohibition Round 2. And this time we make it stick. Out with the "fruit of the vine" and the devil's brew! We need to shoot for a 100 percent sober America.

We are a nation that seeks to be drug-free, yet we tolerate alcohol, the most dangerous drug of them all. Why? Because it is socially accepted.

Well, so is marijuana among some segments of society, but we still arrest people for smoking pot.

We need to do the same with alcohol. Get whiskey, wine and beer off the shelves and out of the reach of Americans who get hooked on it.

Did you know that driving under the influence of alcohol is the most frequently committed crime in America? That's a sad fact that leads to deaths and injuries.

According to recent statistics, 347 people died in Virginia in 2005 as a result of alcohol-related vehicle crashes.

Pretty funny article actually, thought I would share, Jeff you can forget theres any sarcasm to the article and take it to heart.
 
The Military uses data bases to determine logistical needs. At the start of Desert Storm they pulled up the data gathered at the Desert Training Facility, Ft. Irwin, CA and looked at the fuel consumption and replacement parts needs to determine how many fan belts, glow plugs, track sections, fuel, water etc. etc a unit would use in desert warfare, then based their transportation plans on moving that amount. They did the same thing with regard to units, how many combat battalions, armor, arty, engineers, medical, MPs, on and on. That included how many JAG (lawyers) units they would need for a force of such a size.

In the after action reports they were amazed at how few Article Fifteens and Courts Martial had to be conveened. They had something like four times the number of lawyers they needed from any other combat situation they had used to base their force structure.

The difference that stuck out was that, due to Islamic strictures against booze, this was the first time alcohol had been all but totally absent from the staging areas and CZ.

I'm firmly against prohibition, but those figures stunned me.
 
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We don't drink whiskey;
We don't drink wine;
We think that beer tastes
Like turpentine;
We sing out loudly though we are small
Only bad people drink alcohol.




Poor little tykes, having to drink turpentine because beer is illegal. Oh, won't you think of the children!!
 
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cincibuck;855429; said:
The difference that stuck out was that, due to Islamic strictures against booze, this was the first time alcohol had been all but totally absent from the staging areas and CZ.

Strange, the military men I knew over there received official rations of beer, 2 per day, and they were allowed to trade amongst other soldiers with the ration if they didn't drink themselves. They just weren't allowed to take the beer "off base."
 
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OCBuckWife;855478; said:
Strange, the military men I knew over there received official rations of beer, 2 per day, and they were allowed to trade amongst other soldiers with the ration if they didn't drink themselves. They just weren't allowed to take the beer "off base."

I was part of the team that wrote the "Lessons Learned" After Action Report for Army Material Command. To the best of my knowledge there was no beer in theatre. The rationing you site sounds like what I saw and experienced in the Vietnam Army, but by the 80s booze had been banned, totally, in big field exercises, such as REFORGER.

It may be that local commanders may have been free to use rationing depending upon the mission and location of a unit.
 
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cincibuck;855429; said:
The Military uses data bases to determine logistical needs. At the start of Desert Storm they pulled up the data gathered at the Desert Training Facility, Ft. Irwin, CA and looked at the fuel consumption and replacement parts needs to determine how many fan belts, glow plugs, track sections, fuel, water etc. etc a unit would use in desert warfare, then based their transportation plans on moving that amount. They did the same thing with regard to units, how many combat battalions, armor, arty, engineers, medical, MPs, on and on. That included how many JAG (lawyers) units they would need for a force of such a size.

In the after action reports they were amazed at how few Article Fifteens and Courts Martial had to be conveened. They had something like four times the number of lawyers they needed from any other combat situation they had used to base their force structure.

The difference that stuck out was that, due to Islamic strictures against booze, this was the first time alcohol had been all but totally absent from the staging areas and CZ.

I'm firmly against prohibition, but those figures stunned me.

now in Qatar you get 3 a day on Camp Doha. It was weird going into downtown Doha to an Applebee's and see an entirely empty bar.

Up in Iraq there was no alcohol for the soldiers on base. However, those of us contractors weren't under General Order #1 (at the time) and we'd go to Baghdad International Airport and hit up the duty free :biggrin:

It rocked, what can I say? I had "acquired" a fridge (people were using it for book storage) and we had cold beer for the first 9 months of my 12 month stay :biggrin:
 
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cincibuck;855506; said:
It may be that local commanders may have been free to use rationing depending upon the mission and location of a unit.

'Tis true sir. Over here in Korea, alcohol has been banned during certain exercises and so forth. It's only for a few days or, at most, a week or two. Needless to say, everyone gets a little surly when it happens. Fortunately, I'm Air Force Weather supporting the Army, so such bans do not apply to me.:biggrin:
 
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BuckeyeMike80;855520; said:
Up in Iraq there was no alcohol for the soldiers on base. However, those of us contractors weren't under General Order #1 (at the time) and we'd go to Baghdad International Airport and hit up the duty free :biggrin:
Ah ha! So you were one of the Amerikan infidels that wasn't at the airport?!

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OCBuckWife;855478; said:
Strange, the military men I knew over there received official rations of beer, 2 per day, and they were allowed to trade amongst other soldiers with the ration if they didn't drink themselves. They just weren't allowed to take the beer "off base."

The military has never, ever, "rationed" out beers. Someone was bullshitting you.

What's weird is, there are those in the military that truly believe that there is a regualtion "authorizing" you two beers/drinks at lunch...the rumor was around when I first joined the Air Force in 1975.
 
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cincibuck;855506; said:
To the best of my knowledge there was no beer in theatre.

That is correct.

There was one Marine from 1st RadBat colocated with us who somehow managed to get a care package through that contained three fifths of vodka.

We made a hairy buffalo out if it with & Tang and drank it on the tarmac of the Kuwait International Airport watching the tracer rounds as the idiots shot up in the air in celebration.

:biggrin:


The rationing you site sounds like what I saw and experienced in the Vietnam Army, but by the 80s booze had been banned, totally, in big field exercises, such as REFORGER.

Nuh uh...Mili said so.
 
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Muck;855963; said:
Nuh uh...Mili said so.

I'll qualify my statement: There was no "rationing", i.e., controlled limited distribution to every single person like cigarettes in WWII, of beers while I was on active duty (1975-2001). And I guarantee you that the U.S. military, in it's currently anti-alcohol mindset and in a country that strictly forbids alcohol, is openly distributing beers to its troops.
 
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The point that is getting lost here is that when just looking at the low rate of incidents that required a lawyer (Article 15s and Courts Martial) during the time frame of 2 Aug 1990 - 15 April 1991, we (the writers of the ODS/S Lessons Learned for Logistics) concluded that the greatly reduced amount of alcohol available for consumption was probably the biggest single factor.

I don't want to see prohibition come back. I don't intend to unilateraly go dry, but I can certainly see that it has an impact on the behavior of a community.
 
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It could have been a local commander thing sure.

It Was DEFINITELY Qatar so that may have had something to do with it.

It was a CENTCOM soldier and his unit or the unit he was attached to so that may have had something to do with it as well.

The Army has made many changes since I was in during the Gulf War but I do know some of what I speak of regarding the military. Perhaps "rationing" wasn't the ideal wording as it does imply a shortness of supply rather than a metered/measured hand out of something otherwise freely available.

And if someone bullshits me, they don't continue to be my friend for very long and I've known this particular soldier for 3 years.

As for a comment on the original subject of the thread, prohibition won't work now, any more than it worked before. Look at the "War on Drugs" and how all it really did was create an enormous black market and open competition amongst the various criminal cartels for import rights.
Thirty Years of America's Drug War

That same thing is going on now as the Mexican government cracks down on drug lords in Mexico. All it is really doing is taking out potential competition and creating a power vacuum that escalates into violence as the lords compete to take over the territories of the jailed lord.
Assorted Articles Regarding Mexican Cartels
 
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