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i don't really see the hiesman as a "single season mark" award but rather "what have you done over your career".
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Keith Jackson has said himself that he think it's a career award. That being said, Matt Leinart didn't exactly have a whole ot of time under his belt when he won it in his junior year (he started only one year prior--2003--because Carson Palmer was the QB in 2002). Ginn definitely has the media attention. I guarantee you that if he has a big game on national TV against Texas, especially if he returns a KO or punt back for a TD and we win the game, he'll be a front-runner despite being a true sophomore.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Keith Jackson has said himself that he think it's a career award. That being said, Matt Leinart didn't exactly have a whole ot of time under his belt when he won it in his junior year (he started only one year prior--2003--because Carson Palmer was the QB in 2002). Ginn definitely has the media attention. I guarantee you that if he has a big game on national TV against Texas, especially if he returns a KO or punt back for a TD and we win the game, he'll be a front-runner despite being a true sophomore.
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The voters do love the kick/punt return TDs in national TV games. Tim Brown in '87 has 2 against MSU, and we can surely remember a couple of scUM'ers gaining Heisman votes for punt returns in The Game.
 
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Ginn CAN realistically win the Heisman as a Sophemore. He would just have to snap punt returns for touchdowns, average serious special teams yardage, and post above average receiving yards with a high number of TDs. Forget about it if he brings a handful of interceptions--he would be a shoe-in. Now, will this happen? Maybe, maybe not ... that remains to be seen.
 
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Dryden said:
Brady Quinn, Notre Dame: He is a junior quarterback playing for Notre Dame. Say no more. If he has a great year and leads the Irish back, he's a very strong candidate.
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This must be a fucking joke!? I just watched some "List" show of the most over-rated "things" in Sports and there were so many people opining that ND was so over-rated. Fairly bright sports authorities were hammering the Irish and they were dead on but now we are being Brady Quinn'ed! Where's Beano?
 
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What he forgot to mention was "Unfortunately his campaign will fade early when he travels to the Shoe to take on the Buckeyes, the place where heisman candidates go to die"
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Yeah Kingsbury and Gesser will wave to him from the stands :)

I dont think anybody can make the statement "Unfortunately he is a sophomore and you just need to be a junior or senior to with the Heisman."

MAYBE "Well in the past, pretty much all Heisman winners are junior and seniors." But does that mean things cant and wont change? Have a feeling we're gonna start seeing alot of freshman and sophomores win it, with how talented these guys are at a young age.

I really dont see anybody giving that "aw" that Ginn gives when he touches the ball. You just have to hold your breath. I cant remember another play that did that, to that extent. Especially as a frosh.
 
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BuckeyeBill73 said:
Having Brady Quinn higher than Ted Ginn totally destroys this guy's credibility.
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This is absolutely correct. First of all, his 54.1 completion percentage is nothing to brag about (both Zwick and Smith had higher last year). Second, Smith had a higher rating. Finally, a 6-6 record won't win you a Heisman no matter who you're playing for. Do I say this b/c I think Smith or Zwick are Heisman frontrunners? No. I say it because to even suggest that Quinn has a snowball's chance of winning it is absurd.

High Lonesome said:
Like it or not, being a qb at notre dame will always give you a shot.
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News flash -- Notre Dame hasn't had a legitimate shot at the NC in over 10 years.

Regarding the other predictions of the "pundit,"

Reggie McNeal. Yeah, right. He might have put up decent numbers, but no one can (or should) pay attention to him until he wins a big game (or beats Baylor, for that matter).

Drew Tate. Sure, right up until everyone realizes that Iowa is incredibly overrated and watches them lose. We'll see how good he is this year when he's not taking anyone by surprise (and, as stated elsewhere in this thread, he is shut down by our D).

Vince Young. See my comments about Tate being overrated.

To conclude, I'm not saying I think Ted Ginn will win the Heisman this year, but he has a lot better shot than some of those ahead of him.
 
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I think one point brought up by the articles, and also mentioned by Mili with the Keith Jackson comment -- that many think the Heisman is a career award, -- is that it doesn't really matter if Ginn posts rediculous numbers and appears to be the clear-cut favorite ... the fact is some voters simply won't vote for him because he's a soph. He might get there as a finalist, but right now I'm inclined to agree that Ginn's a long shot to win the award. I would love to be proven wrong, but ...

Another thing that could effect Ginn's chances is that Santanio and Troy will get a lot of recognition if the offense performs to expectations. If punters kick away from Ginn, than Holmes (presuming we continue with the two returner formation) might get more opportunities at returns. Holmes is equally capable of running the WR-Reverse, and could get a few touches on misdirections to Ginn. Really, Holmes is the more polished receiver, certainly in the discussion of the top-5 WRs in college, where some publications even list him #1.

With Holmes, Ginn and Gonzo, whoever cements the starting QB job will get ample opportunities to pad their numbers too.

I guess my line of thinking is: If Ginn wins the Heisman this year, than he is either better than any of us could fathom, or the rest of our ample offensive talent probably wasn't used to maximum effect.

Again ... I'd love to be proven wrong. If Ginn torches Texas for a running TD, a receiving TD, a return TD (or two), then I'll gladly edit this post and talk about how I just knew Ginn was going to win the Heisman all the way back in May. :wink2:
 
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Dryden said:
Again ... I'd love to be proven wrong. If Ginn torches Texas for a running TD, a receiving TD, a return TD (or two), then I'll gladly edit this post and talk about how I just knew Ginn was going to win the Heisman all the way back in May. :wink2:
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This was quoted just so I can say I just knew that you would edit your old post. :biggrin:
 
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