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HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

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BuckBackHome said:
Would you hire someone with this resume:

2 conference championships.
1 national championship
85% winning percentage
First coach from his school to win conference coach of the year in 40 years.
7 heisman finalists
20 first round draft picks

Not saying the guy doesn’t have his problems, as we all do. But I have to bet most other programs would be happy to have our problems.
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Ok but flip it

Does that mystery coach come close to those numbers without inheriting the talent machine at his old school?

Are you, as a giddy fan of this other school, really impressed with mystery coach’s record against teams in his own weight class?

There is a lot more to it than raw win %
 
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Jaxbuck said:
well, he created a new identity, if you want to go that far, by using what was in place already (an ELITE run game and talent at RB).

That was part of the point I was making about how mid this team is after Sayin went down.

The pieces to do any other flavor of offense but THTGDB are not present.

The more fair analogy would be what happens in 2014 if JT Barrett goes out and take Zeke with him? Titty bar Tom wasn't that munch of a Mensa member. No one is.
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Yeah, I get it. Oregons new OC must be Mensa though, and poor Day/Smith just have no talent. Not buying it.
 
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knuckifyoubuck said:
Yeah, I get it. Oregons new OC must be Mensa though, and poor Day/Smith just have no talent. Not buying it.
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They have one elite talent that can be taken away.

The rest is mid level blah. Buy whatever you want, go look at the numbers.

There is literally not a single other thing this team is/was good at besides drop back EPA.
 
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knuckifyoubuck said:
I just have a hard time thinking it's all talent, and not coaching. I don't trust these guys. They wasted talent like Arvell Reese and it's hard not to question Khary, Bey and Pettijohn not playing more. Who knows what else we've got sitting on the sidelines outside the circle of trust.

Edit: and if it is all talent, whose fault is that?
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The lack of talent being ultimately on Day and his staff, I agree 100%

To my eyes, and the numbers, I see a ton of talent all in the WR room and nowhere else.

RB room, TE, OL all just meh.

DL has little to nothing. It looks
Like some really good young talent in the back 7.

Wasting talent before and thinking there is talent being wasted now are two different things. I won’t argue with the first part.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
Yeah this is where next year will be interesting.

We legit could have 18 returning starters or something. Is that a good thing though? No clue.
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I mean if you are telling me we’ll be better because the guys in the trenches will be back I’m going to be somewhat skeptical.

Ditto QB.

Ditto RB

I wasn’t even waste the ditto paper on the TE room.
 
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My apologies if this has already been posted. I know this is somewhat cherry picking stats to draw the comparison, but it's a comparison that is kind of hard to avoid at this point and the bases for comparison are only growing. I defended Day until I was blue in the face and legit thought it was not a fair comparison, and there is at least the Natty to Day's name. But that goodwill has faded fast...

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Jaxbuck said:
Just curious, legit question- besides WR, DB and LB where are you seeing it?
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I agree with what you’re seeing and do think the interior of the offensive line is solid. That said and I’m not being snide here, but I struggle to believe that we recruited and brought in a bunch of no talent players. Or, worse yet is to say we brought in guys that don’t fit what we want to do. Have their been missed in recruiting and the portal, sure.

This is all to say I’m more in the line of thinking that this is more of a staff and player development issue. As well as, not putting players in a position to succeed.

The years of experience that Smith and Patricia bring as coordinators is unreal, but yet the shit they’ve rolled out has been the equivalent of putting square pegs in round holes.

The lack of creativity and unwillingness to morph the O and D to what is happening and the players we have is mind boggling. I was joking on @heisman about his comment of an offense built for TSC earlier. We shoved an inexperienced true freshman on the field and said go run the offense.

On top of all this, to not have a backup QB ready and to assume nothing would happen to Sayin all year is shear idiocy and incompetence by staff.

Sorry, I’m rambling here…
 
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buckeyebri said:
I agree with what you’re seeing and do think the interior of the offensive line is solid. That said and I’m not being snide here, but I struggle to believe that we recruited and brought in a bunch of no talent players. Or, worse yet is to say we brought in guys that don’t fit what we want to do. Have their been missed in recruiting and the portal, sure.

This is all to say I’m more in the line of thinking that this is more of a staff and player development issue. As well as, not putting players in a position to succeed.

The years of experience that Smith and Patricia bring as coordinators is unreal, but yet the shit they’ve rolled out has been the equivalent of putting square pegs in round holes.

The lack of creativity and unwillingness to morph the O and D to what is happening and the players we have is mind boggling. I was joking on @heisman about his comment of an offense built for TSC earlier. We shoved an inexperienced true freshman on the field and said go run the offense.

On top of all this, to not have a backup QB ready and to assume nothing would happen to Sayin all year is shear idiocy and incompetence by staff.

Sorry, I’m rambling here…
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well lets take DL. Same coach thats put innumerable guys in the NFL.

He's forgotten how to develop players all of a sudden? I mean I struggle to accept that because forget seeing any Bosa's or Young's out there- do you even see any JTT or Sawyers? Hell I'd take a Caden Curry at this point.

I guess it comes down to defining what you mean by talent. I define it as OSU level talent that we are used to seeing these past 20 some odd years. That, I do not see at a lot of positions.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
well lets take DL. Same coach thats put innumerable guys in the NFL.

He's forgotten how to develop players all of a sudden? I mean I struggle to accept that because forget seeing any Bosa's or Young's out there- do you even see any JTT or Sawyers? Hell I'd take a Caden Curry at this point.

I guess it comes down to defining what you mean by talent. I define it as OSU level talent that we are used to seeing these past 20 some odd years. That, I do not see at a lot of positions.
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So, you’re saying we just whiffed on our whole Dline recruiting. Let’s look at that then. Who recruited the guys? That same coach? Who’s developing these guys? The same coach?

Taking that further, all I see are guys standing up and hand fighting and pushing. No swims, no spins, no stunts. How are they being developed?

Then take the D calls. How many times can we run a 3 man front with 8 guys playing a soft zone? Is this the innovation by the DC that we expect? How are we putting guys in a position to succeed?
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Just curious, legit question- besides WR, DB and LB where are you seeing it?
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Butting in, but I do think Nate Roberts has looked good, especially for a sophomore. Houston and to a lesser extent Smith Jr. and Walker have impressed. Otherwise there have been a lot of misses and too much wishing that the RBs, OL, and DEs would take a big leap.
 
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