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HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

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Jaxbuck said:
As one who distrusts absolutes, here is where I think I am at:

Day just had. A massive cohort of talent go through to the NFL the past two years. Even at a place like OSU , 13 guys two years in a row (or something close to that) is a MASSIVE talent drain.

Reminds me somewhat of Tressel in ‘04 after that NC had all washed through. We looked human and lots of questions started.

I remember how bad that year felt and I also remember how he pulled it together at the end and used The Game to springboard into the next cycle of great years.

So that was Tressel. I’d use it as a comp to see how Day does in comparison.

Feels similar enough.
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The main difference for me is the young talent that was able to grow and develop leading into '05. The biggest difference is you had Troy Smith at QB, who had experience. You had an Antonio Pittman, Ted Ginn Jr, Santonio Holmes, Nick Mangold....I just don't see that experience and talent returning next year on offense. There are certainly similarities when it comes to talent loss leading to a leadership void, and thus rapid decline, but '04 had a lot more optimism than we have right now.

Pros/cons though....I guess if you get a Kewan Lacy and Kamario Taylor in the portal I can shut the hell up!
 
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bigdog3300 said:
The main difference for me is the young talent that was able to grow and develop leading into '05. The biggest difference is you had Troy Smith at QB, who had experience. You had an Antonio Pittman, Ted Ginn Jr, Santonio Holmes, Nick Mangold....I just don't see that experience and talent returning next year on offense. There are certainly similarities when it comes to talent loss leading to a leadership void, and thus rapid decline, but '04 had a lot more optimism than we have right now.

Pros/cons though....I guess if you get a Kewan Lacy and Kamario Taylor in the portal I can shut the hell up!
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I don’t recall anyone feeling real good about returning talent (not named Ginn) as we were losing 4 games but To me the watershed was when Tress came out in 5 wide and didn’t try to play tsuns game. He adapted to what he had developed it and we had some special special times.

Day is on the clock. To me so far it’s a stark contrast in how he has handled it but the season isn’t over yet. He loses the game and it’s still this ugly then draw this comparison again and judge him more fairly imo.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
Anything can be conveyed as an excuse, but there are reasonable ones and reaches. IMO the talent vacuum is reasonable, but I also blame Day and Pantoni for poor talent evals and letting Thurman leave. The RB room is without a 30+ run since the opener, zero edge talent, an LB room that is stuck in transition, and an OL that can’t pass block. A lack of separation in the 2 deep has led to too much rotation, and it’s hard to make a scheme work with significant limitations.

I give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt for good and bad reasons. I think blaming coaches is the easiest thing to do because it doesn’t require much evaluation and it’s easy to dream up another coach who does it better. I’ve also been hearing this same stuff since early Tressel years. The grass is always greener, and OSU coaches are only good because of talent etc. Meanwhile, many programs have made mediocre or terrible hires that have set the program back for 5-10 years. OSU has remained consistently great by being patient.
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I think we're saying the same thing, no? I buy, and even think a significant portion of where we are could be attributed to talent drain... but sure as shit, there's a great big bucket of bones to pick with a number of areas... evaluation is certainly one of them, among others we each listed.
 
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