HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

[shetuck]

I don't have the film for it obviously but it looked to me like they were rotating after the snap and doing it very, very fast.

Some of it was just great plan and execution by IU.

I saw nothing embarrassing whatsoever. Frustrating for sure but sometimes the other guys is good.

embarrassing only to the extent that all we've heard for the last 8 months is how much of a savant sayin is at reading the field and reacting instantly and the whole iron sharpens iron trope.

not taking anything away from IU... they were very good.

i'm not an x's and o's guy, but what i saw was a lot of shifting and stunting on the D line. maybe that was just eye candy, but i didn't notice stuff in the secondary that drew my eyes.

 

[OHSportsFan]

Slow pace of play is great when you’re leading but Day played himself into no margin for error with that 8 minute drive in the 4th.

And then we had the error (missed FG). For how great that 12 minute drive was in The Game, that one also stalled out. Fielding just made that one, and it didn’t have much difference because the Bucks were safely ahead (and in total control).

Credit to IU limiting explosive plays - either with pressure or Sayin not progressing enough to find guys. It seems like there’s still a way to play bend-don’t-break defense against this team until we get into short yardage/field positions and shoot ourselves.

 

[Jaxbuck]

embarrassing only to the extent that all we've heard for the last 8 months is how much of a savant sayin is at reading the field and reacting instantly and the whole iron sharpens iron trope.

not taking anything away from IU... they were very good.

i'm not an x's and o's guy, but what i saw was a lot of shifting and stunting on the D line. maybe that was just eye candy, but i didn't notice stuff in the secondary that drew my eyes.

I'll be interested to see what the film break down guys show. I saw it a little but it's hard on tv.

Mostly going by how many times I saw Sayin double pump/pull it down.

Usually they kill zones. Last night they couldn't. It's a mix of all of it imo, Sayin was exposed a bit but a veteran DC and a very veteran defense did what most teams just can't do so I'm just not all that worried about it. Sayin has shown an ability to learn and he competed last night, his numbers were great.

He, along with the entire team, just got beat by the slimmest of margins at a few critical inflection points in the game. It's the style both coaches play, someone had to win it, someone had to lose it.

 

[RugbyBuck]

So much this, OH Sports Fan. To paraphrase Kendrick Lamar, sometimes you just got to pop out and show Hoosiers. Instead, we played/coached like we played against Rutgers, Penn State, etc.

 

[Thump]

My coach!

 

[Tanner]

Slow pace of play is great when you’re leading but Day played himself into no margin for error with that 8 minute drive in the 4th.

And then we had the error (missed FG). For how great that 12 minute drive was in The Game, that one also stalled out. Fielding just made that one, and it didn’t have much difference because the Bucks were safely ahead (and in total control).

Credit to IU limiting explosive plays - either with pressure or Sayin not progressing enough to find guys. It seems like there’s still a way to play bend-don’t-break defense against this team until we get into short yardage/field positions and shoot ourselves.

Agree. I understand why you're doing it in the regular season to limit wear and tear etc. But Day said when it's time go they would...and then they didn't. He's obsessed with winning games with running the ball for some reason. If you asked any opponent if they want Ohio State to play fast and have Sayin get the ball out fast and throw the ball every play to Smith and Tate, I doubt they would say yes

 

[Jaxbuck]

Slow pace of play is great when you’re leading but Day played himself into no margin for error with that 8 minute drive in the 4th.

And then we had the error (missed FG). For how great that 12 minute drive was in The Game, that one also stalled out. Fielding just made that one, and it didn’t have much difference because the Bucks were safely ahead (and in total control).

Credit to IU limiting explosive plays - either with pressure or Sayin not progressing enough to find guys. It seems like there’s still a way to play bend-don’t-break defense against this team until we get into short yardage/field positions and shoot ourselves.

You can't just change who you are even if you think it's a good idea, which I don't think it would be.

Every outcome is based on skill + luck. When you are confident in your superior skill, you want to suppress luck because that's the only thing that can help your opponent.

If I have a big advantage per play, I want fewer plays.

If I have a small advantage per play, I want more plays.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

I hate everything. That we can't a yard when we need it. It's just baffling to me. I dont have a problem with Day choosing to kick a field goal in theory. But does anyone want Fielding taking big kicks? And that INDIANA beat us fair and square lol

Fielding hadn't missed all year from 20-29 yards. The first 4th down wasn't a "big kick" since it was still early enough to not be a game deciding kick. Less pressure. The O-line wasn't playing great so there was less of a chance to get 1 yard that to get the field goal.

 

[shetuck]

I'll be interested to see what the film break down guys show. I saw it a little but it's hard on tv.

Mostly going by how many times I saw Sayin double pump/pull it down.

Usually they kill zones. Last night they couldn't. It's a mix of all of it imo, Sayin was exposed a bit but a veteran DC and a very veteran defense did what most teams just can't do so I'm just not all that worried about it. Sayin has shown an ability to learn and he competed last night, his numbers were great.

He, along with the entire team, just got beat by the slimmest of margins at a few critical inflection points in the game. It's the style both coaches play, someone had to win it, someone had to lose it.

i agree that sayin looked uncomfortable. at some point it was clear that Day told him to get the f*ck out of the pocket if it's collapsing. he did better throwing on the run but that takes away a lot of options that he's had all year.

imagine sayin was double-pumping because he got paranoid after the pick he threw, not for some other real reason. he would've done that against tsun as well, but tsun wasn't able to pressure him. so i think sayin needs to work that twitchiness out somehow. thought it would've been worked out during practice, though, against our 1's on the defense.

 

[RugbyBuck]

You can't just change who you are even if you think it's a good idea, which I don't think it would be.

Every outcome is based on skill + luck. When you are confident in your superior skill, you want to suppress luck because that's the only thing that can help your opponent.

If I have a big advantage per play, I want fewer plays.

If I have a small advantage per play, I want more plays.

Yes, I don’t disagree with any of this and I still think that when matched up against a better than usual opponent, that is the time to overwhelm and end them early. What’s the point of having better talent if you don’t use it when you need it. Playing the same efficiency game as always lowers your margin for error. Going forward against CFP-level teams, I hope we come out hard and put it out of reach for them early. Then, we can sleeper hold them.

 

[Jaxbuck]

i agree that sayin looked uncomfortable. at some point it was clear that Day told him to get the f*ck out of the pocket if it's collapsing. he did better throwing on the run but that takes away a lot of options that he's had all year.

imagine sayin was double-pumping because he got paranoid after the pick he threw, not for some other real reason. he would've done that against tsun as well, but tsun wasn't able to pressure him. so i think sayin needs to work that twitchiness out somehow. thought it would've been worked out during practice, though, against our 1's on the defense.

I saw one play for absolute certain that he pulled it down to avoid what was going to be a clear pick. Imo, he was reading things properly and then they were changing faster than he has ever seen. He (probably) did a good job not to throw a few more picks. I really think people will see this in a different light when the X & O guys do their thing.

I still say the issues last night were 1a) Game plan and adjustment 1b) Interior OL got whipped. Sayin's performance is down around 9th or 10th thing.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Yes, I don’t disagree with any of this and I still think that when matched up against a better than usual opponent, that is the time to overwhelm and end them early. What’s the point of having better talent if you don’t use it when you need it. Playing the same efficiency game as always lowers your margin for error. Going forward against CFP-level teams, I hope we come out hard and put it out of reach for them early. Then, we can sleeper hold them.

I think that's where you tip the cap to IU. We didn't have as many chunk/explosives inside the framework of "efficiency" as we normally do. Even when we did, the IU secondary tackled better than anyone has al year.

Those are the things that make it look like we "let it loose" and overwhelmed an opponent early. In reality he's playing at the same pace and with the same strategy he has all along.

My biggest indicator of OSU turtling up is did they still try to feed Smith? Given his injury I'd say I was pleasantly surprised at how deliberate they were in getting him the ball.

 

[RugbyBuck]

I think right now Tate would be my first option.

Absolutely agree about IU. We shouldn’t have let them, but they stepped up and won it.

 

[zincfinger]

I was on board with the laid back efficiency-focused offense during the season, but felt sure that he could flip the switch to an attacking aggressive offense when it became necessary.

Slow pace of play is great when you’re leading but Day played himself into no margin for error with that 8 minute drive in the 4th.

I don't think they needed to go faster; they needed to convert in goal-to-go situations. Those two 7-minute drives would have been just what the Dr. ordered if they ended in seven points each. That second one, especially, would have been a perfect, back-breaking drive, with Sayin converting about three consecutive 3rd and 8s on the way to a bunch of time off the clock and 7 points.

It was obvious that Hartline had just about zero confidence in the offense's ability to pick up a yard or two with a handoff when the defense expected a run. That's a problem if he's wrong to have no confidence in it; it's a bigger problem if he's right. The only reason the slow-play, efficiency method wasn't a winner is that they weren't able to be efficient in goal-to-go situations. Maybe running some kind of hurry up inside the 20 would have helped, but if you simply can't run for 1-2 yards when the field is condensed and they're expecting a run, that's pretty limiting.

 

[Onebuckfan]

CJ was brought into be that hammer but our plays are slow developing and our line is finesse not power. TE poor blocking yesterday.