HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

[Captain Buckeye]

That's what's so perplexing. It's also why I personally will give him a longer leash for what that's worth lol.

He doesn't have a 20 year turtle history. He has a very mixed bag 5 year history as HC. While it's easy to focus on the very recent lows, there were some pretty kick ass highs too. Took simple Jim and that Nintendo fatso half a decade to figure anything out and simple Jim had the luxury of being an NFL hc for a while before that.

I guess to me, in the modern cfb where losses aren't as crucial, I'm willing to give him another 2 years to see if he can figure shit out. Because if he does, we could dominate for a couple decades and look back at the 3 year tsun cheating to win vacated period as the great depression. If he doesn't figure it out, we move on and he goes to some G5 school and beats us in the national championship game one day lol

Yeah Harbaugh lost 5 straight right? We are approaching that now. Ryan Day wins like 86% of the time that’s pretty dang good. He just has to get over this last mental block.

 

[Captain Buckeye]

I’m paraphrasing but Ryan Day says they nearly made a change along the offensive against Michigan…..didn’t get everything they wanted out of offensive line in game.

Likely they’ll have a different front 5 in playoffs.

He didn’t expound on it, but from what I’m hearing…..the like Hinzman in interior but don’t like his snapping mechanics. When he snaps with velocity, it’s off target. When he snaps to be on target, it’s painfully slow. Sounds like OSU thinks the right move is to kick Hinzman back to guard, and likely go Padilla at center (possibly Montgomery but that’d be a surprise to me).

JMO, but I think Hinzman is back at guard the next time we see Buckeyes play.

I’m sort of wondering if they don’t put Jackson back at LG and then put Hinzman at RG. Someone here made this observation and I think it’s true. It’s easier to help a LT than it is to help an interior guy. Besides you can roll a QB, option him, or just not go that way all together.

We have to be able to run inside to complement the outside stuff. No clue who plays LT though since we are almost completely void of options there. Maybe Ian Moore?

 

[Captain Buckeye]

I love Ramzy and the article is brilliant…..but I just get hung up a bit on how the team is built and how it correlates to Big 10 weather.

A Ryan Day team, from the inside out, just isn’t designed to work optimally when the weather gets nasty in late October/early November.

Nobody runs outdoor track meets in December in the Midwest…..that’s what indoor track is for.

It’s a massive issue for the Buckeyes.

I have no problem playing the way we did on Saturday if we are built for that style. Teams throw the ball in bad weather too so maybe we don’t have to switch it all up but the biggest adjustment is we need nasty on the OL recruiting wise.

 

[shetuck]

I'm not that up on coach-speak, but was Day throwing the offense under the bus?

in his weekly presser he talks a lot more about execution than game-planning. and he kept talking about the offense stalling in the red zone, as if that's the fault of the offense and players simply not executing (“everyone has a job to do”), rather than having the wrong game plan and not making the right calls.

some quotes:

Reporter:

Ok. Um Ryan against Michigan. Um, I understand you guys want to establish the run. I mean, the stat, the team that's won the rushing battle the last 20 years, wins the game when that wasn't working though, there seemed to be a lack of adjustments. Is that fair? And, and what did you see when you watched the film?


Day:

Yeah. Um I think the first thing is just overall, you know, let me just quickly start with the defense. I feel like the defense, um, played excellent. I thought that, you know, really, from the Oregon game on some of those adjustments that were made have been excellent and I thought they played really, really hard in this game was everything perfect. No, but I thought they played really good.

I think when you look at the offensive side of the ball, um, you know, it was not a good day, it wasn't a good day across the board on offense and, you know, some of that had to do with the coaching and, and some of the game planning that went on there's no question that, you know, we could have done a better job getting the ball to the perimeter. I think one of the key points of the game though is when you have five trips to the red zone and you only get 10 points and, you know, in those moments there, you know, we, we had a couple of missed field goals, we had an interception, we had the field goal and we had the touchdown and, you know, we hadn't done that up to that point and, and that was a big deal. So, um, and then on special teams, you know, we, we had some other things that, you know, we wouldn't execute very well. A couple of, you know, uh, kicks that weren't fielded great down in the seven yard line which created coming out situations and then we had the missed two Miss Feld goals. So, ultimately, you know, that comes back on me as the head coach, you know, whether it's, you know, the right guys being in the right spot, the recruiting part of it, you know, the scheme, the coaching. So, you know, uh, you know, that's on me, but I, I think when you look back on it, there's definitely ways that we could have got the ball to the perimeter.

I think when you look at you, I think we threw it 35 times in the game, which is, I think will's second most throws.

But, um, you know that it certainly played into it being in the red zone and, and coming out.

Um, but there's definitely ways that we could have done a better job because it's the coach's job to put the guys in the best position to be successful.


***


Reporter:

I know you're not gonna give us the insight of exactly on the headset. But what is that discussion like between you and chip there in the fourth quarter with every play call debating if you should run, stick to the run or turn back.


Day:

Yeah, usually it's, it's um between each series, you know, you get the, the script of, of what comes, um, you know, for the next drive, some, some thoughts that are going on and, you know, some of them are mixed with RP OS and some of them are just, you know, call it and run it, um mixture of all those things.

But when you, when you do call an RPO, sometimes if they're, you know, a too high shell, that ball is gonna get handed off and then obviously you just have passes. Um And so, you know, you, you go through it, you, you go through the list and see what you're thinking and, um, you know, there were a couple of them that, you know, we got to turn over there in the red zone and weren't able to turn that. I mean, that was very, very frustrating, you know, and that's, that was a big part of the, the, the game right there. So, um but that's typically how it goes.


***


Reporter:

Ryan the two minute when you guys were, were taking time out to try to get the ball back because you re evaluate that situation. Do you think that you guys handled that properly with your time outs and using the two minute warning to your advantage or is that something that you guys have to go back through and be like, well, I think if you, um, if you wait to the two minute warning, you know, you was with three time outs left and you still need a, a touchdown.


Day:

You know, that's, um, that's plenty enough time to go down the field.

Um, and so, you know, we try to do the best we can to get with, you know, what, what's on the chart in terms of the analytics to get the feedback on, on what that should be. You know, I think uh we had plenty of time to, to come to go score. We didn't do that.

That wasn't the, um you know, the issue. Um but, uh, you know, we'll always look at it to see where we are on the field. What's it down in distance and then go from there. But, but ultimately, what you're trying to do is is, you know, get the ball back with as many time outs as possible. And, um, and as much time on the clock as possible,


***

Reporter:

I know that you guys said that it was just a communication but I have there been conversations about that in particular and, and what just, what exactly went wrong there at the time out.


Day:

Yeah. Yeah, I'm not gonna get in all of it, but yeah, it was, it was a miscommunication from up top and, um, you know, once, once it got sent in, it was hard to, you know, it got loud and it got hard to get back, um, you know, off the field and, and so it was a miscommunication. It shouldn't have happened.


***


Reporter:

Did you find yourself involved in the play calling? More so than any previous year? Did you ever get involved in that at all?



Day:

You know, I, I try to get my feedback and, and try to get, you know, involved as much as I can on both sides, you know, I click over on defense,

I click over on offense, um, and, you know, try to do everything I can to help you to be a part of it. Um, so,

but yeah, I mean, ultimately li listen, I, I mean, I'm responsible, I'm the head coach. So that's, that's, that's where the buck stops


***


Reporter:

He was, he was fine as far as you're concerned and tempo, it really worked at the end of the path and then it just kind of went away. What obviously if you have to do it over again? Maybe you go tempo. Why didn't you go back to it? What was the thinking of going to it?



Day:

We had tempo plays going into the game. Um, you know, I thought early on we, you know, we, we kind of had a little bit of a pace to us, got in the red zone again and bogged down. Um, at the end of the half, we were in a two minute drill because it was more of a two minute situation than it was just tempo.

Um Looking back again. Yeah, I don't think there's any way you could argue that tempo would have helped us more in a game, talk about having to win the rushing battle in this game. And historically, what that's meant.


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Reporter:

Um Does it at any point become, I don't know, a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy like that's what Michigan builds, builds his team to do. Meanwhile, you guys are as talented and more talented than anyone in the country at the receiver position yet. It seems like you go into this game with the mindset of we're going to run the ball anyway. I don't know if that's the proof of point or, or, or what, but how much is that on your mind? And at this point is it on your mind to your detriment as you try to put together a good game plan against.



Day:

Well, I think there's two things there. I think, um, we certainly threw the ball more than we passed it.

I mean, uh, threw the ball more than we ran it. But that, I think, I don't think that's your question. I think the question is, you know, what we gotta do, what's best to win the game. Yeah. And, and that's, that's gotta be the number one goal. You know, I think there's certain things that you have to do and we have a list of like 10 situations. You know, the rushing yards is one of them turnovers is one of them X plays is one of them, you go through it so you don't just get stuck on one thing.

But when you see something that's like undefeated over 17 years, you gotta make sure the guys understand that that's important, but it doesn't necessarily mean like that's, you gotta do whatever you can to win the game, that's the bottom line. And so, you know, there's other ways to run the ball, you know, you can get the ball in a perimeter, you can, you know, do different things as you guys know.

So, um, you know, sometimes when you get down in there inside the, the red zone, you know, it gets tight in there, you have to, you know, be creative and I think we could have been more creative in those areas. You guys now are on year four of at least not reaching two of those stated goals. Obviously, the third one is still out in front of you.

a few random thoughts:

1. he seems as stubborn in defeat, and maybe more, than urban or tressel. sure, he says, "the buck stops with me", but then flips back to talking about not executing. when a player doesn't execute on one play, then you can say that's on the player. but at some point when you see that the team is not able to execute in the same situation again and again, then that HAS to be on the coaches to recognize it, understand what's happening, and to counter it.

2. there's a strong body language thing. i know that Day shrugs A LOT. but he's doing it A LOT more than normal. i don't know if the issue is understanding, curiosity, ownership, confusion or what. when people go around life shrugging, it just means that they're either frustrated, or at a loss, or both. it's kind of a, "what am i supposed to do, what answer do you expect, it is what it is..." gesture. i'm not saying he needs to get fired. i'm not saying he's cowardly or weak. i'm just saying that he still has a lot of maturing to do... and the more adversity he faces, the more he will mature and solidify.

3. i think the reporters did a pretty good job asking the right questions (especially ward and landis), the painful questions, but in a respectful way.

4. he's using the word analytics way way too much. i'm not saying they shouldn't use analytics, but if the sh*t ain't workin' then you need to throw it in the toilet and go by what you see based on however many decades of combined coaching experience among the staff.

5. he's trying to remind everyone, right off the bat, that he is able to make adjustments. he uses the changes on the defensive side in terms of schemes and game planning as evidence that they are always looking for ways to improve. my question, at that point, would have been something like, "umm... yeah... that's really great what has happened on the defensive side and the guys looks recharged and reignited. but, when do you think that will happen on the offensive side and when would you expect to see the results? are there things we can look at in the *ichigan game where we can say that, yeah, that's a different look or whatever?"

6. he's playing a bit of an annoying game with semantics... "it wasn't tempo... it was our 2min offense..." jfc... call it whatever you want. point is whatever you did just before the end of the half worked. why didn't you just reload that same thing on the other side of the half? hell, can't you just run your 2min offense on all your possessions if that's what's working? i hate this "chase me around the room, catch me if you can" bs.

 

[muffler dragon]

Thanks, I absolutely hated writing it.

If you had stated otherwise, I would’ve called bullshit. Moreover, how many bottles of bourbon did you go thru to complete that opus?
Sincerely, it was a well-written, comprehensive catharsis for me.
Cheers

 

[NFBuck]

Nailed it. I said something similar that he said at the end. Whatever version of Ryan Day this is? He needs to forget it because that’s not the Ryan Day that crushed TCUN 2017-2019.

We're not getting that Ryan Day back. He's the HC now. The HC has many more worries and the buck ultimately stops with him. As an OC, it's easy to go balls out because while you will certainly get some blame if things don't work, ultimately it falls on the guy with the whistle around his neck. The HC has to worry about everything across the board (though I'm not so sure special teams is a concern at all from what we've seen). We can sit here and hope all day that the brilliant play caller Day was from 2017/18 comes back and he loosens up, but hope isn't a strategy.

 

[NFBuck]

I'm not that up on coach-speak, but was Day throwing the offense under the bus? He talked a lot more about execution than game-planning. And he kept talking about the offense stalling in the red zone, as if that's the fault of the offense and players simply not executing (“everyone has a job to do”), rather than having the wrong game plan and not making the right calls.

some quotes:



a few random thoughts:

1. he seems as stubborn in defeat, and maybe more, than urban or tressel. sure, he says, "the buck stops with me", but then flips back to talking about not executing. when a player doesn't execute on one play, then you can say that's on the player. but at some point when you see that the team is not able to execute in the same situation again and again, then that HAS to be on the coaches to recognize it, understand what's happening, and to counter it.

2. there's a strong body language thing. i know that Day shrugs A LOT. but he's doing it A LOT more than normal. i don't know if the issue is understanding, curiosity, ownership, confusion or what. when people go around life shrugging, it just means that they're either frustrated, or at a loss, or both. it's kind of a, "what am i supposed to do, what answer do you expect, it is what it is..." gesture. i'm not saying he needs to get fired. i'm not saying he's cowardly or weak. i'm just saying that he still has a lot of maturing to do... and the more adversity he faces, the more he will mature and solidify.

3. i think the reporters did a pretty good job asking the right questions (especially ward and landis), the painful questions, but in a respectful way.

4. he's using the word analytics way way too much. i'm not saying they shouldn't use analytics, but if the sh*t ain't workin' then you need to throw it in the toilet and go by what you see based on however many decades of combined coaching experience among the staff.

5. he's trying to remind everyone, right off the bat, that he is able to make adjustments. he uses the changes on the defensive side in terms of schemes and game planning as evidence that they are always looking for ways to improve. my question, at that point, would have been something like, "umm... yeah... that's really great what has happened on the defensive side and the guys looks recharged and reignited. but, when do you think that will happen on the offensive side and when would you expect to see the results? are there things we can look at in the *ichigan game where we can say that, yeah, that's a different look or whatever?"

6. he's playing a bit of an annoying game with semantics... "it wasn't tempo... it was our 2min offense..." jfc... call it whatever you want. point is whatever you did just before the end of the half worked. why didn't you just reload that same on the other side of the half? hell, can't you just run your 2min offense on all your possessions if that's what's working? i hate this "chase me around the room, catch me if you can" bs.

I don't want to hear him talk at all after a sludge fart like Saturday. Personally, I'd prefer he take the Belichick approach and say "We're on to _____." Listening to excuses and platitudes just makes me more angry about how that bullshit played out.

 

[RuGettinIt]

We're not getting that Ryan Day back. He's the HC now. The HC has many more worries and the buck ultimately stops with him. As an OC, it's easy to go balls out because while you will certainly get some blame if things don't work, ultimately it falls on the guy with the whistle around his neck. The HC has to worry about everything across the board (though I'm not so sure special teams is a concern at all from what we've seen). We can sit here and hope all day that the brilliant play caller Day was from 2017/18 comes back and he loosens up, but hope isn't a strategy.

Isn’t that the truth.

 

[Captain Buckeye]

I'm not that up on coach-speak, but was Day throwing the offense under the bus? He talked a lot more about execution than game-planning. And he kept talking about the offense stalling in the red zone, as if that's the fault of the offense and players simply not executing (“everyone has a job to do”), rather than having the wrong game plan and not making the right calls.

some quotes:



a few random thoughts:

1. he seems as stubborn in defeat, and maybe more, than urban or tressel. sure, he says, "the buck stops with me", but then flips back to talking about not executing. when a player doesn't execute on one play, then you can say that's on the player. but at some point when you see that the team is not able to execute in the same situation again and again, then that HAS to be on the coaches to recognize it, understand what's happening, and to counter it.

2. there's a strong body language thing. i know that Day shrugs A LOT. but he's doing it A LOT more than normal. i don't know if the issue is understanding, curiosity, ownership, confusion or what. when people go around life shrugging, it just means that they're either frustrated, or at a loss, or both. it's kind of a, "what am i supposed to do, what answer do you expect, it is what it is..." gesture. i'm not saying he needs to get fired. i'm not saying he's cowardly or weak. i'm just saying that he still has a lot of maturing to do... and the more adversity he faces, the more he will mature and solidify.

3. i think the reporters did a pretty good job asking the right questions (especially ward and landis), the painful questions, but in a respectful way.

4. he's using the word analytics way way too much. i'm not saying they shouldn't use analytics, but if the sh*t ain't workin' then you need to throw it in the toilet and go by what you see based on however many decades of combined coaching experience among the staff.

5. he's trying to remind everyone, right off the bat, that he is able to make adjustments. he uses the changes on the defensive side in terms of schemes and game planning as evidence that they are always looking for ways to improve. my question, at that point, would have been something like, "umm... yeah... that's really great what has happened on the defensive side and the guys looks recharged and reignited. but, when do you think that will happen on the offensive side and when would you expect to see the results? are there things we can look at in the *ichigan game where we can say that, yeah, that's a different look or whatever?"

6. he's playing a bit of an annoying game with semantics... "it wasn't tempo... it was our 2min offense..." jfc... call it whatever you want. point is whatever you did just before the end of the half worked. why didn't you just reload that same on the other side of the half? hell, can't you just run your 2min offense on all your possessions if that's what's working? i hate this "chase me around the room, catch me if you can" bs.

I noticed that too in regard to the up tempo stuff lol… just Silly to contend the different. 2 minute is run with tempo so the report wasn’t wrong Ryan.

The thing they always mention was tempo is only good after a nice gain or a first down. I get that you don’t want to get off the field quick but why can’t you go fast on offense if your defense is as good as ours? Seriously with our offense we need as many cracks as we can get right now. If we can’t be as efficient then get more possessions.

 

[Captain Buckeye]

We're not getting that Ryan Day back. He's the HC now. The HC has many more worries and the buck ultimately stops with him. As an OC, it's easy to go balls out because while you will certainly get some blame if things don't work, ultimately it falls on the guy with the whistle around his neck. The HC has to worry about everything across the board (though I'm not so sure special teams is a concern at all from what we've seen). We can sit here and hope all day that the brilliant play caller Day was from 2017/18 comes back and he loosens up, but hope isn't a strategy.

I think he can certainly tell Chip to speed up and to do certain things though. Chip is still a good OC and if Ryan Day loosens up I think we can get back to being dangerous through the air etc

 

[RuGettinIt]

Tempo definitely makes sensewhen you’re trying to keep them off guard, cause confusion, and keep them from getting into their calls and set. Also a good way to tire their bigs out.

 

[shetuck]

Whew the beat threw some fastballs today… I love our beat to be honest. They don’t sunshine pump and if things aren’t going well they’re pretty ruthless.

Ryan must’ve been asked about his job security like 5+ times.

landis, ward and holbrook, especially.

may was trying, and i think he had the right ideas but as soon as he opens his mouth and starts to hear himself winding up the tough question, he goes soft and starts to back peddle. "ryan, that time when you pulled down your pan---, er, when the situation was way back and in the offseason the guys were in the woody, with however much and the in my 40 years or whatever, you know what i'm talking about... and do you think the guys would like it if you bought them some ice cream?"

 

[shetuck]

Tempo definitely makes sensewhen you’re trying to keep them off guard, cause confusion, and keep them from getting into their calls and set. Also a good way to tire their bigs out.

but not a good way of ensuring we don't send in too many players lol.

 

[NFBuck]

I think he can certainly tell Chip to speed up and to do certain things though. Chip is still a good OC and if Ryan Day loosens up I think we can get back to being dangerous through the air etc

Problem is, Day gets so tight in many big games (and The Game in particular) that his natural tendency is to go into a shell and get conservative. That was on full display Saturday. I've been saying I just do not think Day is wired to be a HC, or at least not at a program with such high (and maybe at times unrealistic) expectations as Ohio State.

Remember watching Tressel and Urban's teams in The Game? You'd see aggressive offenses (in most cases barring mitigating circumstances like the weather in 2007) and often new wrinkles you didn't see all year. We don't get that under Day.

 

[shetuck]

too bad Coach didn't think of that last year...

and maybe they did, but remember... we also needed to pay for mcglaughlin, downs, simmons, howard and smith. so it could be that we were a bit cash-depleted.