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Hate more: ND or UM? (split from ND thread)

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Wonder if age has something to do with the degree of dislike aimed at ND. As some one who grew up in 50s, college in the early 60s, my anger at the overblown attention paid to ND by the East Coast and Chicago media, the last thing I want to see is for the Irish to be relevant again.

You had to be around to see Paul Horning win the Heisman to fully appreciate how bad it was.
 
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cincibuck;2276714; said:
Wonder if age has something to do with the degree of dislike aimed at ND. As some one who grew up in 50s, college in the early 60s, my anger at the overblown attention paid to ND by the East Coast and Chicago media, the last thing I want to see is for the Irish to be relevant again.

You had to be around to see Paul Horning win the Heisman to fully appreciate how bad it was.
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It could also be regional.

I had to grow up listening to a group of people fawn over a pedophile enabler and listen to how they thought they were better than everyone else every single day for years.

Fuck Ped State.
 
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OK, I lied. My hatred fro scUM overrides all else.

I could maybe understand the respect but hate thing if it weren't for the existence of cockhole, traitorous pieces of filth born in Ohio who root for scUM to just be a dick/get attention. Lowest form of life I can think of save for a child molester/taliban terrorist asshole. These fuckers are the only thing that keeps my hatred for scUM stronger than my hatred for ND.

I will say this in defense of the school itself (UM), I don't think they would keep a coach who had a students blood on his hands.

So while fucksticks like Mike force me to hate scUM more than ND, I don't think the scUM administration are the soulless, vile, evil bastards that their ND counterparts obviously are.
 
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Jaxbuck;2276720; said:
OK, I lied. My hatred fro scUM overrides all else.

I could maybe understand the respect but hate thing if it weren't for the existence of cockhole, traitorous pieces of filth born in Ohio who root for scUM to just be a dick/get attention. Lowest form of life I can think of save for a child molester/taliban terrorist asshole. These [censored]ers are the only thing that keeps my hatred for scUM stronger than my hatred for ND.

I will say this in defense of the school itself (UM), I don't think they would keep a coach who had a students blood on his hands.

So while [censored]sticks like Mike force me to hate scUM more than ND, I don't think the scUM administration are the soulless, vile, evil bastards that their ND counterparts obviously are.
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QFT
 
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cincibuck;2276714; said:
Wonder if age has something to do with the degree of dislike aimed at ND. As some one who grew up in 50s, college in the early 60s, my anger at the overblown attention paid to ND by the East Coast and Chicago media, the last thing I want to see is for the Irish to be relevant again.

You had to be around to see Paul Horning win the Heisman to fully appreciate how bad it was.
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I'm only 24 but I despise notre dame more than pretty much anything in this world. That is partly due to my grandfather having to deal with the nuns at his catholic school in Columbus forcing all the students to pray for notre dame to beat OSU in the '30's.
 
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IronBuckI;2276656; said:
This is how I feel too. I also think it's difficult to compare the two when I'm comparing "apples hate" to "oranges hate".
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I agree, it's a different kind of animus, which is hard to compare. On a day-to-day basis, I dislike UM far more. For example, I always want to see ND beat UM. And yet, I don't think I would like to see the UM football program cease to exist. The yearly opportunity to overcome those foul rodents is part of what makes OSU football great. The true firebrands, like Jax, may disagree. On the other hand, I'd love to see Notre Dame football irreversibly implode, never to be heard from again. They serve no benefit whatsoever, aside from occasionally delivering Michigan a righteous bitch-slap. And hell, who can't do that?
 
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In all seriousness, I never will understand the Buckeye distain for the Irish. Other than rooting for the B1G when they play the Irish, for strength of conference purposes, I see a lot of reasons why the Irish would be more favorable than Michigan. Conference loyalty aside, the Irish and OSU have common enemies and they rarely, if ever play each other. OSU is also 3-0 in the last three meetings, so they certainly have dominated. The Irish media deal is pretty laughable against the ever growing Big 10 Network these days. Irish pull half as many recruits or less from Ohio in comparison to Michigan, and those that they do pull often come from Catholic schools and the Cincinnati area. The Irish have been incredibly irrelevant and mediocre the last 20 years, certainly nothing to be jealous of. As far as refusing to join the Big 10 conference, it seems many Buckeyes would rather they stay out at this point so the move to half member with the ACC should have been a positive I would think. Quite frankly, ever since Michigan lead to way to boycott the Irish from the old Western Conference, forcing the Irish to seek out other opponents nationally, it wouldn't be prudent to do anything but stay semi-Independent unless absolutely necessary at this point. Anything less than branching out reduces your recruiting reach.

I've heard the arguments against before, but in my mind being brought up in Ohio as both Irish and a Buckeyes fan it's hard to let go of that perception, just as it would be hard for some to let go of the Irish hate I would imagine. It would be like trying to switch religions at this point for me, it's hard to go against tradition and upbringing when it's been a part of you so long. Despite there being a vocal Buckeye fan base that dislikes the Irish, my support of OSU is only stronger as I've married into it 3 years ago. My wife's family is die hard OSU, but they watch the Irish now too as I watch Buckeye games with my wife and her father.
 
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ulukinatme;2276751; said:
In all seriousness, I never will understand the Buckeye distain for the Irish. Other than rooting for the B1G when they play the Irish, for strength of conference purposes, I see a lot of reasons why the Irish would be more favorable than Michigan. Conference loyalty aside, the Irish and OSU have common enemies and they rarely, if ever play each other. OSU is also 3-0 in the last three meetings, so they certainly have dominated. The Irish media deal is pretty laughable against the ever growing Big 10 Network these days. Irish pull half as many recruits or less from Ohio in comparison to Michigan, and those that they do pull often come from Catholic schools and the Cincinnati area. The Irish have been incredibly irrelevant and mediocre the last 20 years, certainly nothing to be jealous of. As far as refusing to join the Big 10 conference, it seems many Buckeyes would rather they stay out at this point so the move to half member with the ACC should have been a positive I would think. Quite frankly, ever since Michigan lead to way to boycott the Irish from the old Western Conference, forcing the Irish to seek out other opponents nationally, it wouldn't be prudent to do anything but stay semi-Independent unless absolutely necessary at this point. Anything less than branching out reduces your recruiting reach.

I've heard the arguments against before, but in my mind being brought up in Ohio as both Irish and a Buckeyes fan it's hard to let go of that perception, just as it would be hard for some to let go of the Irish hate I would imagine. It would be like trying to switch religions at this point for me, it's hard to go against tradition and upbringing when it's been a part of you so long. Despite there being a vocal Buckeye fan base that dislikes the Irish, my support of OSU is only stronger as I've married into it 3 years ago. My wife's family is die hard OSU, but they watch the Irish now too as I watch Buckeye games with my wife and her father.
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I grew up with neither Buckeye love nor Irish detestation. Yet, once I started following college football, I learned to properly despise the Irish for what they represent: an enormously overpromoted shell, falsely propped up by a fawning national media, and a "fan" base consisting largely of people who know roughly as much of college football as they do of Bosonic string theory.
 
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