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Greg Schiano (HC Rutgers Scarlet Knights)

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I can see both sides here. GS knows what it takes to compete in big-time football, and wasn’t going to bullshit them. OTOH, Rutgers is in a bind for the reasons mentioned, plus a vociferous amount of faculty that don’t like bigtime athletics, even more so than at other places.
 
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In marketing, it's often essential to have a 'loss leader'. In the grocery business it's often milk and eggs. In fast food, it's the value menu. You're willing to accept a loss on these items because it brings customers in the door. In fast food you're giving away the value items knowing beverages are your cash cow.

In major colleges, this is often the athletic program. Within the college, the football program is most likely the ONLY entity that actually brings in significant revenue. Without it, there goes the vast majority of your sports programs - lacrosse, baseball, softball, wrestling, volleyball, swimming, gymnastics, rowing, and maybe even basketball - GONE without football revenue plus this $100/mth fee. So it's not enuf that football isn't that important but without it, you have no athletics whatsoever... and I do not believe Rutgers stays intact without sports.

Might be a surprise but Rutgers is generally rated around #35 as toughest public colleges to get in. It is also one of the best values you'll find in the major college arena. A major problem is the professors and instructors are full of themselves. They actually believe that many folks still perceive Rutgers is Ivy League and that the students thirst for these elite professors. First hand experience with this. So this ultra liberal profs see zero need for athletics. To them, Rutgers is all about the academics. Their sense of reality is grossly missing.

If Rutgers football had just a respectable level program, the attendance would increase monumentally. When they get a full share of the B1G TV revenue, Shiano's plan could work. but if they try to go the cheap route.. well, it ain't gonna go well.. They're making a major decision on their next 10 years. Go big or go home.
 
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I understand Schiano wants assurances and accountability, but he’d be foolish to not make some concessions. He’s an unemployed coach with one offer on the table for four million a year. Nobody with deeper pockets is going to entertain him, and he’s only going to make a quarter of that as a coordinator.
 
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Bottom line: Rutgers has heard this song before. It has been a failure. Improving facilities did not keep Schiano there the first time.

The tide on student fees is turning very quickly and it is very hard to keep the top faculty that students come to learn from. Students are paying $100 a month in their fees to cover athletics. Be honest. If you were a student or faculty member, would you be willing to pay to support Rutgers athletics? Football just isn't that important.

I guess the question I would ask Schiano would be, when would football break even at Rutgers and how much would it contribute to the overall athletics program in the next ten years? What would be the return on the investment and how much of your pay would you be prepared to defer based on achieving that return?

I'm guessing that is the point that Schiano leaves the negotiation.
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That's impossible to answer, and not really a question for Schiano in any case.

Answering those questions is what the AD is paid to do, with some help from the rest of the Administration and Board.
The Head Coach' job isn't to crunch the financials for University. His job is to make the team better.
The AD and Board needs to decide if the juice is worth the squeeze for the University.

It has a lot to do with how well an improvement gains some big donations to subsidize the shortfall.
It could also have something to do with going back to B1G and saying... hey... we need a bailout. Not a loan. We need faster access to the cash or you're going to lose this market. Personally, I think that would be fair... 10 years in conference is a long time to delay payment.

Dryden said:
I understand Schiano wants assurances and accountability, but he’d be foolish to not make some concessions. He’s an unemployed coach with one offer on the table for four million a year. Nobody with deeper pockets is going to entertain him, and he’s only going to make a quarter of that as a coordinator.
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I'm sure he could find HC jobs around DIA for 1-2mil... but you're probably right about P5. Rutgers is the only one shopping him. He could end up somewhere like BC, but it probably wouldn't be for 4mil either.
 
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Only thing that gives Schiano's play any semblance of being smart and rational is that he knew with absolute certainty that some people with clout (pols, boosters, major university donors) would rally behind him if he walked away. That seems to be happening, so perhaps he was smarter than we thought all along.
 
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Dryden said:
I understand Schiano wants assurances and accountability, but he’d be foolish to not make some concessions. He’s an unemployed coach with one offer on the table for four million a year. Nobody with deeper pockets is going to entertain him, and he’s only going to make a quarter of that as a coordinator.
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From my understanding, Schiano is financially set. Yes, he'd most likely want to get back into coaching but the family has had enuf of him being gone... they want a Dad and husband. ala Patriots very short gig.. I hear that came from the home front...

So he's at a real position of strength... because he doesn't have to do anything... and his family is probably saying "we don't need the crap that will come along with this gig"
Rutgers needs him.. He does NOT need Rutgers.. or any other gig... His negotiation confirms this... His demands are to stack the deck for his 'success' IF he goes down this rabbit hole

You can't name a tougher turnaround project in the country... He'd be in a cake walk conference that only has 6 of the top 17 ranked teams in the land. He understands that. Not sure Rutgers gets it. AD still listening to Bruce Springstein 'Glory Days'
 
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NJ and I usually see eye-to-eye, but I guess not on this. Give the students an option to have athletics or pay $100 more per month and see what happens. Schiano goes there and they won't be a powerhouse. If he gets outsiders to pay the bill for investments, he may get a few years before it comes crashing down again. If he gets student demonstrations over Penn State, then I guarantee this does not go forward. Schiano walked away because the University closed the door. ORD, you guys could both be right, but you more than others know how this works. Ask students to rank the top 20 things that they look for in a university and I guarantee you that competitive college football will either not be on the list or be very far down it. Attendance is dropping for sporting events around the world. More high school students now preferring soccer. None of these trends is good news for a ten year turnaround strategy.
 
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NJ and I usually see eye-to-eye, but I guess not on this. Give the students an option to have athletics or pay $100 more per month and see what happens. Schiano goes there and they won't be a powerhouse. If he gets outsiders to pay the bill for investments, he may get a few years before it comes crashing down again. If he gets student demonstrations over Penn State, then I guarantee this does not go forward. Schiano walked away because the University closed the door. ORD, you guys could both be right, but you more than others know how this works. Ask students to rank the top 20 things that they look for in a university and I guarantee you that competitive college football will either not be on the list or be very far down it. Attendance is dropping for sporting events around the world. More high school students now preferring soccer. None of these trends is good news for a ten year turnaround strategy.
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So you're saying we should start shifting athletic investment to the Rugby program?
 
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NJ and I usually see eye-to-eye, but I guess not on this. Give the students an option to have "8 losses a year football" or pay $100 more per month and have "5 losses a year football", see what happens. Schiano goes there and they won't be a powerhouse. If he gets outsiders to pay the bill for investments, he may get a few years before it comes crashing down again. If he gets student demonstrations over Penn State, then I guarantee this does not go forward. Schiano walked away because the University closed the door. ORD, you guys could both be right, but you more than others know how this works. Ask students to rank the top 20 things that they look for in a university and I guarantee you that competitive college football will either not be on the list or be very far down it. Attendance is dropping for sporting events around the world. More high school students now preferring soccer. None of these trends is good news for a ten year turnaround strategy.
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Thanks. Not well written. I'm saying potential students choose a university primarily for the value of the degree. The value of sports is declining rapidly for a generation that spends its time staring at a cellphone. Investing $200 million to improve to 4 or 5 losses from 8 or 9 losses isn't gonna move the needle for student admissions. Putting that money into academic facilities or scholarships will.
 
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Actually I would love something good happen for Rutgers cuz I'm tired of watching my Rutgers daughter's agita on how bad they suck... however they were decent in her Schiano/Big East yrs... My oldest is an OSU grad... obviously he has had a phenomenal ride including the NC in 2002

I was almost relieved at the score the other week... since we were sure it was going to be 100-0.. cost me $100K vbucks...

Dad's have to learn how to play all sides... Heck, I barely knew Rutgers existed prior to 1998
 
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