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I would take anyone over Bellisari.
Although I really like Germaine as a quarterback, I think Gamble deserves the #7. He was the key to that great defense by shutting down everyone's number one reciever.
Although I really like Germaine as a quarterback, I think Gamble deserves the #7. He was the key to that great defense by shutting down everyone's number one reciever.
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msj2487
You bred raptors?
I'll create a poll for each number revealed so that everyone here can more easily express their opinions on which buckeye should be considered the best to ever wear a particular number. I'll also make the changes to the lists after the polls close to reflect the buckeye consensus! However, I'd like to keep the discussions in these threads going if possible. Anyone have anything to add to the 3 revealed lists so far? Mistakes that I might have made? Any info about the players you'd like to add?
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Yertle
Pounding out aggression, turns into obsession
Crap, I just wrote this big long post, and for some reason it wouldn't let me post it. I'm sure it's user-error, but whatever...
Anyways, the point of my post was that even though I'm obviously in the minority, I like Bellisari as the best #8.
- First of all, he was putting together a solid senior year. The Buckeyes were showing promise that season (with rough loses to Wisky and PSU) before he got busted for the DUI. I was starting to see a solid QB in Bellisari.
- His UCLA game was awesome in his sophomore year! He totally decked a DE on a reverse that got the entire crowd pumped up. Also, on a couple long pass plays, he sprinted down field to help the receiver up and give him a pat on the back. You can argue that he stunk as a passer, but the guy had heart and leadership.
- In his freshman season, he was a one-man wrecking crew on special teams - especially punt coverage. I told a buddy of mine before the '98 Michigan game to keep his eye on #8 in punt coverage, and sure enough, Steve seemed to make every tackle in that game. My buddy was amazed that a backup QB could be such a good athlete.
Granted, the 3 years of Bellisari at QB were rough, but I really felt for the guy. He was 100% heart and determination, and he was starting to turn things around. I was a little embarassed that Buckeye fans forced a 20 year old to go through the crap that SB had to endure. Not that CK wasn't a nice change in the following 2 years, but I'd like to see SB stay as the best #8 until someone more deserving comes along.
Anyways, the point of my post was that even though I'm obviously in the minority, I like Bellisari as the best #8.
- First of all, he was putting together a solid senior year. The Buckeyes were showing promise that season (with rough loses to Wisky and PSU) before he got busted for the DUI. I was starting to see a solid QB in Bellisari.
- His UCLA game was awesome in his sophomore year! He totally decked a DE on a reverse that got the entire crowd pumped up. Also, on a couple long pass plays, he sprinted down field to help the receiver up and give him a pat on the back. You can argue that he stunk as a passer, but the guy had heart and leadership.
- In his freshman season, he was a one-man wrecking crew on special teams - especially punt coverage. I told a buddy of mine before the '98 Michigan game to keep his eye on #8 in punt coverage, and sure enough, Steve seemed to make every tackle in that game. My buddy was amazed that a backup QB could be such a good athlete.
Granted, the 3 years of Bellisari at QB were rough, but I really felt for the guy. He was 100% heart and determination, and he was starting to turn things around. I was a little embarassed that Buckeye fans forced a 20 year old to go through the crap that SB had to endure. Not that CK wasn't a nice change in the following 2 years, but I'd like to see SB stay as the best #8 until someone more deserving comes along.
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msj2487
You bred raptors?
I feel ya on all of that, great reasoning, and alot of that was why I originally had him as the best #8. I myself have gone back and fourth on the Bellisari issue, I had originally planned on putting Stanley at the spot, then after a few days of researching and thinking about it I finally settled on Bellisari.
However, if you notice in one of my threads for this project, I have stated that I'll be posting some polls for the more difficult #'s to pick from, including #8, so SB will definitley get a shot at reclaiming #8's throne. We'll see what happens and hopefully some more people will get involved to make these choices a little more representing of the entire buckeye nation!
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Yertle
Pounding out aggression, turns into obsession
I think the idea of a poll is great, but I think we both know how that will turn out for Bellisari.
He's the QB everyone loves to hate. He has the unlucky timing of being squeezed between the QB with the most 300 yard games ever at OSU and a QB who beat Michigan twice and won a NC. Then throw into the mix that his receivers were over-rated punks, the running backs were very forgettable, and the defenses in that span were average at best. He's screwed.
But, he'll get my vote.
He's the QB everyone loves to hate. He has the unlucky timing of being squeezed between the QB with the most 300 yard games ever at OSU and a QB who beat Michigan twice and won a NC. Then throw into the mix that his receivers were over-rated punks, the running backs were very forgettable, and the defenses in that span were average at best. He's screwed.
But, he'll get my vote.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I think the idea of a poll is great, but I think we both know how that will turn out for Bellisari.
But, he'll get my vote.
Someone get this philly a radish!!!
I would pick Stanley Jackson over Bellisari, but, as you know, Yertle, I've always felt that he was very underrated. Of course, that's not hard to do in this case. I think that a monkey trained to hand the ball to the defense would get more praise in Columbus during those three years than Bellisari ever got. And I think he had a .500+ winning record at Ohio State.
Before I begin my toast to not hating Bellisari, let me say that he was not a good quarterback, by Ohio State standards. He made questionable decisions, and it seemed that he was the master at clutching defeat from the jaws of victory. But Columbus was very unfair to him. He'd throw an interception while being hit in the backfield, and we'd hear, "Just take the sack, JERK!" Next, he'd get sacked, and we'd hear, "Throw the ball away, LOSER!" The guy couldn't win no matter what he did.
But I think that his greatest fault was that he followed a guy named Joe Germaine. As we all know, Joe Germaine was a stud. I don't know that ANYONE would have been liked in Columbus after Joe Germaine. If Troy Smith would have followed Joe Germaine, I think that it would take Columbus 10-15 games to start liking Troy Smith.
Next, instead of looking at Bellisari's overall numbers (which I don't have in front of me), look at his progression. He started as the guy who could only throw the passes to the outside, and, when defenses stopped those plays, he fell apart. He'd look at one, MAYBE two receivers, and take off. By the end of his Junior year, he was hitting tight ends and running backs when his wide receivers were covered.
And I think that many other people believe that Bellisari was decent. You guys just didn't know how you felt. If he was as hated as it seems he was, I would have thought that the greatest thing he ever could have done was get suspended from the team by the end of his senior season. If he's such a suck-bag, why would you want him in the game? Or even on the team? But people were disappointed that he let the team and the fans down. I seem to remember that if Ohio State had beat Illinois and Michigan, they would have won the Big Ten, or at least tied for the championship. But just before the game with Illinois, people had already thrown in the towel.
Again, Bellisari does not get my vote for best #8. And maybe he was the worst on that list. But I'll never be ashamed to call myself a fan of Steve Bellisari.
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