Bill Lucas
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It’s a travesty that Randy Gradishar isn’t in the pro football hall of fame.
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Agreed on Gradishar's omission from Canton. I lost all respect for that institution based on that alone.
On a completely different note (and although I voted for Gradishar myself), a Spielman highlight video was recently produced. I posted it in his thread at the following link. All Buckeye fans who never saw him play (and some who claim to have seen him play) should watch it.
LB Chris Spielman (2x All-American, 4x Pro Bowl, 3x All-Pro, CFB HOF)
On a completely different note (and although I voted for Gradishar myself), a Spielman highlight video was recently produced. I posted it in his thread at the following link. All Buckeye fans who never saw him play (and some who claim to have seen him play) should watch it.
LB Chris Spielman (2x All-American, 4x Pro Bowl, 3x All-Pro, CFB HOF)
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These greatest ever lists are fun, but it definitely shows the ages of many posters. Because I know how talented Spielman was at OSU, but I was too young to remember him at OSU, and I remember him more in the NFL. IMO, the guys that I thought were the best would never have the stats of a Spielman because of offenses changing. I'd have AJ Hawk top, but then I'd have Ryan Shazier and James Laurinitis.
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You have to do these kind of lists by era
The game changes every decade or so, players get bigger, faster and stronger over time.
How did you do against your peers? That's how you compare era's.
The game changes every decade or so, players get bigger, faster and stronger over time.
How did you do against your peers? That's how you compare era's.
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Agreed. Because solely by stats, guys like Spielman will always win. But they also played teams that were all run based teams, so of course LBs would rack up tackles, but he wouldn't have the same amount of INTs, PBUs, Tkls for loss, or sacks of more modern era players. Spielman didn't have to worry about spread offenses, or zone read schemes, or even having to defend TEs that were as fast as RBs or DT QBs. And on the flip side guys like Laurinitis, Shazier didn't have many teams running 50 times a game at them, nor did they have to worry about chop blocks, but the OL were much more athletic and stronger than in the 80s. All were great for their times, but their times were very different.
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IMO Spielman’s biggest advantage in racking up tackles is that he played on defenses that weren’t very good most of the time. If a tackle had to be made, it had to be made by Chris because other people weren’t good enough to make it (or there was only one other good player on the defense). And those defenses often struggled to get off the field. They gave up drives where Chris would get 5 or more tackles. On one drive smh
Gradishar played on teams that handed out 3-and-outs like Halloween candy, and the offense held the ball for 5 minute drives with regularity.
The point is that different eras were different in a lot of ways. And Michigan still sucks
Gradishar played on teams that handed out 3-and-outs like Halloween candy, and the offense held the ball for 5 minute drives with regularity.
The point is that different eras were different in a lot of ways. And Michigan still sucks
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Just sayin': "The Cous" was a tackling machine. Tom Cousineau should have gotten more consideration. The fact that he is one of only 3* Buckeyes ever chosen #1 in the NFL draft should tell you something about his college performance. In addition to all the others being really good linebackers too, the fact that he played in the mid 70s (45 years ago) and his best professional years were in the CFL are probably some of the reasons that he is over looked, etc.
* The Cous (Bills -1979), Big Daddy (Bengals - 1994), and Orlando Pace (Rams - 1997)
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Hstead
Legend
Excuse me, Mr. Pepper would like a word.....................
http://images.app.goo.gl/MDWsZCEBYRCnocHS7
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There is a parenthetical statement in my first paragraph. Pepper Johnson was the only reason for that.
Yes, William White had a decent nfl career, but the scheme he played at Ohio state rendered him, and the rest of the backfield, completely ineffective
So yeah, Pepper was the exception that I mentioned. After Pepper joined the Giants (and won a Super Bowl with them), Chris was the lone ranger out there. Earle's recruiting was straight ass after 84.
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I look forward to the days when I can reminisce on the message board about OSU players from 40+yrs ago 
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Whippersnapper.I look forward to the days when I can reminisce on the message board about OSU players from 40+yrs ago
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Chris Spielman changed the way I looked at football as a kid. First, he was on the freaking Wheaties box in High School. No one else has done it, especially on this list.
Loved the film of Gradishar and Cousineau, knew AJ from Centerville and loved his ability. Laurinaitis is a Buckeye legend. Katzenmoyer could have been possibly the best college LB of all time if he cared at all about school and the other things that would have helped him out. LOL damn he was mean though.
The SI story about Spiels made me dream about football and watching him play it was the picture of everything that was great about football. The guy's personal life only makes me a bigger fan. I'm biased for sure but The best buckeye of all time for me, wore #36.
Loved the film of Gradishar and Cousineau, knew AJ from Centerville and loved his ability. Laurinaitis is a Buckeye legend. Katzenmoyer could have been possibly the best college LB of all time if he cared at all about school and the other things that would have helped him out. LOL damn he was mean though.
The SI story about Spiels made me dream about football and watching him play it was the picture of everything that was great about football. The guy's personal life only makes me a bigger fan. I'm biased for sure but The best buckeye of all time for me, wore #36.
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