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Good News and Bad News for Archie Griffin fans

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They won't give it to a freshman, and I don't think White will get it either. Because he had like 58 years of eligibility, I'm afraid he would have to be " White* " if he won 2, of which he didn't even really deserve the first one. I think Archie is safe.
 
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M Leinart 26.1%
A Peterson 22.4%
J White 15.3%
A Smith 13.6%
R Bush 13.2%

Big, big update: Leinart pulls away

Well, in the last 14 hours, we've gotten fifty more declared ballots, bring our total up to 143. That's more than 2002 (when we correctly projected Carson Palmer), but not quite as much as last year (173).

So, the big news: Matt Leinart is now pulling away. He's got 26% to Adrian Peterson's 22%. Leinart is now leading in every region except the Southwest (where White and Peterson lead, duh) and the Mid-Atlantic (where Alex Smith leads.) In New England, he's tied with Adrian Peterson.

Also: Alex Smith has now jumped into a statistical tie for fourth place with his high school teammate Reggie Bush. Both Alex Smith and Reggie Bush continue to advance their climb against Jason White.

If the tide turns against him just a little bit more, Jason White could wind up fifth overall. In the political world (where I work), it's an adage that "undecided voters break against the incumbent" - and that may be happening for Jason White. If folks hadn't decided early, they're probably not for the guy who won it last year.

Finally, two more Heisman candidates are on the list: Cal RB J.J. Arrington picked up his first votes (three #2's) and a vote appeared for Chad Friehauf, the star quarterback from Colorado School of Mines, a Division II program. Friehauf is a finalist for the Harlon Hill Award, considered the D2 Heisman. Of course, the Heisman is not restricted to Division I programs; it's just always been that way by tradition.
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Buckinghorse said:
The GOOD NEWS:

TG jr will win it next year.

The BAD NEWS:

He will be the one to beat AG and win 3.
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Thats right Ginn4Heisman next season!!


Would you really be angry if fellow Buckeye was the only other Multiple Heisman winner?

I wouldn't. I think it would say something about the kids that we recruit!
 
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Good News: It is unlikely that Jason White will win the Heisman

Bad News: Adrian Peterson may very well win it this year, and he has a strong chance of winning it in either (or both) of the next two years before bolting for the League
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1.) I don't think that Peterson will win it this year.

2.) I wouldn't have a problem with Peterson winning two in the future. He's legitimately a very gifted player.

3.) White is a poser that throws 70 yard screen passes, and lobs up rainbows for his very talented WR's to fight for. If anything. His WR's should be rewarded for Whites' numbers.
 
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IronBuckI said:
1.) I don't think that Peterson will win it this year.

2.) I wouldn't have a problem with Peterson winning two in the future. He's legitimately a very gifted player.

3.) White is a poser that throws 70 yard screen passes, and lobs up rainbows for his very talented WR's to fight for. If anything. His WR's should be rewarded for Whites' numbers.
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I agree. I think we've made the Heisman too much of a numbers award. We've also placed too much emphasis on winning. In my mind, the Heisman trophy isn't about having a mediocre QB in the perfect system, it isn't about finding the best player on a LOADED team and it's not about who has had the most impressive career.

The Heisman trophy should go to the single best and most dominating performer over the season. In my mind, that is Reggie Bush. I would have no problem giving the award to a guy on a team with a losing record if he was the best but didn't have good players around him.

I think this problem is evidenced by having two undefeted teams with two Heisman candidates. I think Bush, Leinart and Peterson are all legitimate...but can White be the most talented and dominating player in college athletics when the general feeling is that he'll never be better than a pro backup?

I'm not saying the guy with the best pro-potential should win, but by choosing these "system" guys, the Heisman has developed a bad rep.
 
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Leinart 24.1%
Peterson 22.8%
White 15.5%
Bush 14.6%
Smith 12.5%

Friday Update: Race Narrowing Again

Well, we're now at exactly 200 ballots counted. Thanks to everyone who keeps sending in tips. Matt Leinart now leads Adrian Peterson by 1.3%. The closest margin in history was when Bo Jackson beat Chuck Long by exactly 1.0%

We're particularly thin this year in votes from New England, so anyone who's got tips from folks up there, let's hear 'em. (Of course, many of our 'unknown' region guys work for ESPN, in Connecticut. It's possible they're the NE voters.)

An important point: While the raw points total is very, very close right now, don't rely on that to determine the winner. Once those are collected, you have to weight the regions in order to deterrmine the projection.

Because there's so many Oklahoma fans sending us tips , we've got 46 ballots in from the Southwest. We've only got 29 from the South, 27 from the West, 26 from the Midwest, 17 from the Mid-Atlantic, 15 from New England, and 21 unknown region.

But, we assume that the final balloting will have roughly equal turnout from each region -- so we have to weight those ballots that come in. We use the 46 ballots in the SW to figure out what the 125 or so ballots will be from the Southwest. We use the 27 from the West to figure out what the 125 or so will be there, etc.

Don't rely on the raw totals to make your own assumptions. Well, go ahead, but you know what happens when you ASS-U-ME.
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OilerBuck said:
The Heisman trophy should go to the single best and most dominating performer over the season. In my mind, that is Reggie Bush. I would have no problem giving the award to a guy on a team with a losing record if he was the best but didn't have good players around him.
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They should call this the Troy Davis Syndrome. Obviously the best player in the country two years in a row but got no love at Iowa State. I'd have to look up his numbers to be sure but I thought he was close to 3000 yards that one year and over 2000 the other year.

Here's info:
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<TABLE width=150 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width=150 bgColor=#dfdfdf>Strengths:
<LI>Great instincts
<LI>Gives 110% every down
<LI>Powerful lower body
<LI>Durable back, who gets better late in the game.
Questions:


<LI>Can his strength and determination overcome his lack of size and speed? Projected Draft Round:


2nd
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><CENTER>[size=+1]Troy Davis, Iowa State, RB
5-8, 185 lbs[/size]

1996 Statistics
<TABLE border=1><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle>Carries</TD><TD align=middle>Yards</TD><TD align=middle>yds/carry </TD><TD align=middle>TDs</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>402</TD><TD align=middle>2185</TD><TD align=middle>5.4</TD><TD align=middle>21</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER>

Davis put together two incredible seasons at Iowa State. He produced on a poor team against both weak and quality competition. He is the only player in NCAA history to rush for over 2000 yds two seasons in a row (2010 yds in 1995 and 2185 yds in 1996). With nothing left to prove in college, he declared himself eligible for the 1997 NFL draft. However, as everyone knows, college success does not always equal NFL success and scouts have their doubts about Davis’ NFL career. He lacks the size and speed needed to become an NFL star. Still, it is very hard to overlook his college production and Davis should be a solid NFL back, who might just surprise a lot of people.




Not near 3000, but over 2000 and 20 td's his sophomore and junior seasons.
 
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