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"I have an M.D. from Harvard, I am board certified in cardio-thoracic medicine and trauma surgery, I have been awarded citations from seven different medical boards in New England, and I am never, ever sick at sea. So I ask you; when someone goes into that chapel and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their wife doesn't miscarry or that their daughter doesn't bleed to death or that their mother doesn't suffer acute neural trama from postoperative shock, who do you think they're praying to? Now, go ahead and read your Bible, _Dennis_, and you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was in operating room number two on November 17, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God."
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Flocka
Where you going? NOWHERE!
I'm the new guy around here and I want to make friends, so I'll say this to you and we'll start fresh. If you don't like my jokes, don't laugh. If you have a medical opinion, then please speak up and speak up loud. But if you ever again tell me or my surgical staff that we're going to lose a patient, I'm gonna take out your lungs with a fuckin' ice cream scoop. Do you understand meNFBuck;1232782; said:
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Yes, I think it is obvious that the human mind is capable of healing the human body and that people of faith can be healed. I have seen the most incredible things in remote, poor African villages over the years and heard many stories from doctors.
People like me, who endorse religious values, attribute this to God. Those who do not endorse religious values, attribute it to mental function, chance, bad diagnoses, or other factors.
Who's to say whose right?
People like me, who endorse religious values, attribute this to God. Those who do not endorse religious values, attribute it to mental function, chance, bad diagnoses, or other factors.
Who's to say whose right?
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
As Steve alluded, there are many, many examples of faith (insert positive thinking, diving intervention, etc.) outlasting any prognosis made by a medical doctor. I speak from personal experience. My mother was diagnosed with cancer on June 17, 1996. In September, she was told the cancer had spread to her bones, which made her terminally ill. On December 25th (merry fucking christmas) I was told she had less than three months to live, and she would never get out of bed, let alone walk, again. The doctor told me and my father this personally. His exact words were something like "at this stage, the cancer has completely taken over your mother's body. Once it reaches this point, a patient has, at most, three months to live. In my opinion, that is being generous, as I believe she's been at this stage for at least a month or two already."
Three months to the day later, my mother was dancing in church. And when I say dancing, I mean it - she was a ballet dancer. Odd, I know, but true.
My mother was given three months to live again on August 14, 1998, after receiving her second hip replacement and having a third vertebrae collapse in her spine. She couldn't dance anymore after that. Seven months later she was given two weeks to live. She died September 4, 2004. Divine intervention? I won't say. I will say that my mother was very devout, and believed God had healed her. From that point of view, no dice...the cancer did eventually kill her. On the other hand, she lasted over seven and a half years longer than her original prognosis. The doctors couldn't, and still can't, explain it. In fact, she actually had trouble finding an oncologist that would take her as a patient, because she was terminal, and there was simply no treatment at all that could do any good for her.
Something more powerful than a doctor gave her an extra eight years of life, and in those eight years she saw three weddings (mine included) and seven grandchildren that she would otherwise never have met. Call what you want, but something worked.
Three months to the day later, my mother was dancing in church. And when I say dancing, I mean it - she was a ballet dancer. Odd, I know, but true.
My mother was given three months to live again on August 14, 1998, after receiving her second hip replacement and having a third vertebrae collapse in her spine. She couldn't dance anymore after that. Seven months later she was given two weeks to live. She died September 4, 2004. Divine intervention? I won't say. I will say that my mother was very devout, and believed God had healed her. From that point of view, no dice...the cancer did eventually kill her. On the other hand, she lasted over seven and a half years longer than her original prognosis. The doctors couldn't, and still can't, explain it. In fact, she actually had trouble finding an oncologist that would take her as a patient, because she was terminal, and there was simply no treatment at all that could do any good for her.
Something more powerful than a doctor gave her an extra eight years of life, and in those eight years she saw three weddings (mine included) and seven grandchildren that she would otherwise never have met. Call what you want, but something worked.
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OCBuckWife
I am the evil monkey in your closet
shetuck;1234553; said:
If a person believes in a divine entity it seems that it is without question that they would also believe that divine entity would help them in times of need. It is a basic principle of faith. Maybe I am still not understanding the question correctly?
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To me the most pertinent part of that story is the part about doctors needing to be prepared for people waiting for a miracle...divine or otherwise. Every time I see someone who woke up after a coma 10 years later or something, I tend to cringe, not because I'm not happy for the family of that person, but because I know that 1000 families will read that, not understand (or want to) that every case is different, and insist it could happen in their case, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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shetuck
What do you need water for, Sunshine?
OCBuckWife;1235036; said:
It's not really so strictly defined in all cases... Some of the people that believe in a divine and all-powerful entity don't think that he/she/it would intercede on someone's behalf in order to change the course of their fate.
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