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Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

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buckeyeboy said:
To what extent is the hype about the UT D line the product of the fact that last year opponents were probably more worried about Johnson, therefore leaving 1-1 matchups between their O lines and UT's D line? I ask only b/c sometimes the stats of a teammate of a superstar player (and hence their ability) can be overly-inflated by offenses keying on the superstar (like Kevin Hardy and Simeon Rice at UI).
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Above it shows that I said, "I only ASK..." I don't point this out to be a know-it-all, but merely to reinforce my position that I meant no disrespect in asking this question--I admitted I only watched a few UT games and wanted the opinions of those who watched them all. I'll also quickly point out that I don't use "hype" in a negative way--I use "hype" (and maybe I'm doing so incorrectly) as a synonym of "accolades." Therefore, hype as I use it could mean both deserved and undeserved praise. If you read it closely, the post shows this -- it asks to what extent the hype (i.e., what proportion of it) is a product of playing with Johnson, and hence a little inflated. Again, I don't mean to be a know-it-all, but I just thought this needed cleared up, as it seems that sarcasm is often lost (or in this case added) in the written word.
 
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xrayrandy said:
" What he meant was you don't know just how fast our LBs actually are"

DJ ran a 4.56 FAT at the combine. If you use the standard hand to FAT conversion factor from track (0.24) that comes to 4.32 hand. If you add 0.24 to your LBs times they are equivalent to 4.7-4.8 FAT, pretty good speed for linebackers, but not in DJ's league.
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JFC, do we have to start this shit again?

If you are going to be at the game, then pay attention, the point will be made on the feild so there there will be no dispute.
 
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buckeyeboy said:
Above it shows that I said, "I only ASK..." I don't point this out to be a know-it-all, but merely to reinforce my position that I meant no disrespect in asking this question--I admitted I only watched a few UT games and wanted the opinions of those who watched them all. I'll also quickly point out that I don't use "hype" in a negative way--I use "hype" (and maybe I'm doing so incorrectly) as a synonym of "accolades." Therefore, hype as I use it could mean both deserved and undeserved praise. If you read it closely, the post shows this -- it asks to what extent the hype (i.e., what proportion of it) is a product of playing with Johnson, and hence a little inflated. Again, I don't mean to be a know-it-all, but I just thought this needed cleared up, as it seems that sarcasm is often lost (or in this case added) in the written word.
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use the sarcasm font [sarcasm]sarcasm on[/sarcasm]

Like I said, I'm letting it go.
 
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High Lonesome said:
who said you should be scared? What I said was that if you are using LB to cover VY(as you have said countless times you will use AJ and carpenter) then you will more than likely use a safety to cover Thomas.( you are not going to ask the back side linebacker to come over and cover) Thomas against virtually any saftey is a mismatch because of size. Now I have no doubt that one or all of your LB's could cover Thomas but as has been stated already they are preocupied. All of this can be thrown out the window if VY is still in the pockett. Our Wide Outs will no doubt see man to man coverage as they do not deserve any more respect than that.
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since we have FIVE linebackers who are quite capable of starting on any team in the country, it must be noted that the coaching staff has admitted that there must be a way to get these guys on the field... while the Buckeyes' base D will always be the 4-3, rest assured that the Coaches spent a little time installing some 3-4 looks during the Spring Session... having Quinn Pitcock play NT with Kudla and Richardson as the DEs and D'Andrea or Carpenter on the line will do a LOT to free up an extra backer to shadow Thomas, while still having the speed on the DL to contain VY... i'm not saying this will be the predominant D that UT faces on Sept 10. but i AM saying that in certain situations such as 3rd and 7 or so, the Horns will see a couple curveballs from the Silver Bullets...
 
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xrayrandy said:
" What he meant was you don't know just how fast our LBs actually are"

DJ ran a 4.56 FAT at the combine. If you use the standard hand to FAT conversion factor from track (0.24) that comes to 4.32 hand. If you add 0.24 to your LBs times they are equivalent to 4.7-4.8 FAT, pretty good speed for linebackers, but not in DJ's league.
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I would hope at 230 lbs he's fast, cuz that's kinda smallish for a NFL LB. Xray, we had a guy just as fast in Cie Grant a few years ago, but we wouldn't have dreamed of comparing him to Hawk/Carp/etc. They are two different types of LBer.

Look, it's obvious you can't possibly type without bringing up one of your statistics, so please remind us how many times all of this speed has beaten your rival. The point is that even when it looks overwhelmingly one-sided on paper (like people thought about the 2003 fiesta bowl), it still has to be played on the field.

I'll take our coach over your coach any day of the week, and twice on saturdays.
 
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xrayrandy said:
" What he meant was you don't know just how fast our LBs actually are"

DJ ran a 4.56 FAT at the combine. If you use the standard hand to FAT conversion factor from track (0.24) that comes to 4.32 hand. If you add 0.24 to your LBs times they are equivalent to 4.7-4.8 FAT, pretty good speed for linebackers, but not in DJ's league.
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You know what? Just shut the fuck up already with your FAT stats. It's getting reeeaaaaal old already...
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
You know what? Just shut the fuck up already with your FAT stats. It's getting reeeaaaaal old already...
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The kid from MSU probably had a pretty appealing FAT time, and look how he got destroyed by Ginn when they were wearing pads and changing directions. Track times tell you how well they'll run on a track.

There are easily two dozen guys out there with faster 40 yard dash times than Ted Ginn, probably more like fifty of em. But the point is once they strap on the pads, start changing directions, and/or get past those first 30-40 yards Ginn will not be caught by them.
 
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High Lonesome said:
What I said was that if you are using LB to cover VY(as you have said countless times you will use AJ and carpenter) then you will more than likely use a safety to cover Thomas.( you are not going to ask the back side linebacker to come over and cover) Thomas against virtually any saftey is a mismatch because of size.
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Hmm, possibly, but our 3-year starter at strong safety (Nate Salley) goes 6-3 220 lbs. Thomas is what, 6-3 245 lbs.? Not exactly a huge mismatch. mich.'s safeties were not very good in pass coverage (especially Shazor) and Thomas didn't exactly light them up (54 yards).
 
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Our 2 TEs combined for 9 catches and 122 yards against Michigan. Thomas will be the main target now rather than splitting pass attempts with Scaife. You are right though about Shazor. Your safeties will be better in coverage.
 
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well did not say every saftey, and 25 lbs and another inch is tough to go around. he should be able to sheild off defenders.

also realize that he had 54 yards on 4 catches and a TD, that was 30% of our recieving yards. The TE possision accounted for 122 yards on 9 catches. Your secondary may be one of the few that can match up with thomas(i really don't know)but trying to somehow diminish his performance in the rose bowl is silly. He avg over 13 ypc and had a TD and a great reception on the boundary to keep a drive going.

i hate when people beat me to my point
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
What he meant was you don't know just how fast our LBs actually are, not whether you had an idea of what a fast LB was. Face it, many opposing fans (not necessarily you, HL) see Hawk and Carpenter as two "big ol' white boys" who can hit...they have no idea that we have two LBs with 4.46 40s (Hawk and D'Andrea) along with two more at just over 4.5 (Carpenter and Schlegel). The "runt" of those four is Hawk at 245. They can definitely put a hurtin' on ya'll...
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I'm glad Vince loves to embarrass "big ol' white boys" who can hit. (Just being sarcastic.)

I haven't seen your linebackers play...but I am sure they are great ones from what I have heard. That being said...

To those who think they they will Tee OFF on Vince, and flatten him, etc. I have yet to see him take hit square on to make you say OOOOOOOOO!...

I don't believe Your LineBackers will be the first to do it... It's possible, but forgive me if I ain't believing it until I see it.

You also have to account that Vince has a way of making defenders Freeze for a second or two, which is all he needs to slow the force of the hit.

And no, I am not saying that VINCE is unstoppable and he can't be tackled, what I am saying is he doesn't take big HITS.

HERE ARE A FEW BIG SOLID, FAST Linebackers getting frozen just long enough for Vince to get passed them.

Lehman:
None of your LB's are as fast as Lehman... but then again, he is not as big as your LB's
http://www.jcdenton40.com<wbr>/UTvOU03-VinceYoung-TD(DivX)<wbr>.avi

Reid:
Has comparable speed to your LB's and plenty of athleticism, But again, no-where near as big.


http://www.jcdenton40.com/UTvKU04-VinceYoung-Run6(DivX).avi</pre>

AND... I THROUGH in a big slow AGGY...
Has nothing to do with my argument, but its fun to watch aggies, look stupid.
http://www.jcdenton40.com<wbr>/UTvOU03-VinceYoung-TD(DivX)<wbr>.avi
 
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Torch7 said:
AND... I THROUGH in a big slow AGGY...
Has nothing to do with my argument, but its fun to watch aggies, look stupid.
http://www.jcdenton40.com<wbr>/UTvOU03-VinceYoung-TD(DivX)<wbr>.avi
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:slappy: We respect unbridled hatred of rivals around here.

I don't think we were suggesting that VY would be getting pasted all of the time, just that it would be very unsafe to roll out all game long.

Another thing about JT's summer visits: visiting Arkie also would help us learn how to stop a mobile QB. I would think their own coach would know how to stop a similar (but not the same) physical freak after just graduating Matthew to the NFL... where he switched from QB to TE (quite a feat).
 
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