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Now THAT was a fucking good episode.
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Buckeye86
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I respect the hell out of the fact that the writers didn’t even try to come up with an excuse for why they didn’t just agree to send Arya down to Kings Landing to kill Cersei. That it didn’t even come up while they were talking about whether they needed a break to regroup or not, while Arya was in the room, while it was the thing she was planning to do anyway.
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Buckeye86
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I thought the main narrative thrust of the episode - setting up the tension between Jon’s claim and Daenerys’s claim - was fairly well done.
For Dany to think that she’s set that no one is ever going to know Jon’s better claim, even after she acknowledges that Sam and Bran both know, is pretty stupid, though. If she is dead set on putting forward her claim over Jon’s, she definitely needs to kill Sam and Bran on the down low, even if she trusts that Jon won’t press his claim himself - and that sets her more up as a monster and I’m not actually advocating she do that.
However, there was like a month (how long did it take to clean up all the dead?) between the initial conversation and the promise to make it a secret, and even longer that Bran and Sam knew without promising not to tell people.
I’m just saying that Dany probably needed a better plan than just assuming that it would stay under wraps because Jon said a month later that he’d make sure no one (else) knew.
That aside, the conversations between Varys and Tyrion were well done, and they established Dany’s decent into Targaryen rage nicely.
At the same time, the logistics continue to be quite dumb.
Getting ambushed, again, by Euron and losing a dragon is really dumb.
And why didn’t Cersei march out and murder Dany and her two dozen soldiers after she rejected the peace agreement? At least fire those scorpions at them, maybe? Seems like a reasonable thing for anyone at war to do, much less someone who no longer cares about honor (or whatever).
Tyrion’s decent into stupid marches on - how many times is he going to try to reason with Cersei? I get that he loves his family and blah blah - but he murdered his own father and it seems like Cersei has earned that level of animosity at least. Seems like he’d be on the “send Arya in” bandwagon if they didn’t completely ruin his character as a functioning and intelligent participant in the game of thrones.
Also, I get that Misande saying “dracarys” was supposed to be this super badass moment, but highlighting how the writers kinda suck, especially at story arcs, it takes the bite out of the moment (for me at least) to have that line completely reverse the entire character arc of Misande. She has always been the voice of reason and the defender of the weak - basically the embodiment of peace and innocence the entire show. But now she seems to be advocating the burning of King’s Landing with dragon fire and murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people?
Oh, okay. What a badass line, though!
For Dany to think that she’s set that no one is ever going to know Jon’s better claim, even after she acknowledges that Sam and Bran both know, is pretty stupid, though. If she is dead set on putting forward her claim over Jon’s, she definitely needs to kill Sam and Bran on the down low, even if she trusts that Jon won’t press his claim himself - and that sets her more up as a monster and I’m not actually advocating she do that.
However, there was like a month (how long did it take to clean up all the dead?) between the initial conversation and the promise to make it a secret, and even longer that Bran and Sam knew without promising not to tell people.
I’m just saying that Dany probably needed a better plan than just assuming that it would stay under wraps because Jon said a month later that he’d make sure no one (else) knew.
That aside, the conversations between Varys and Tyrion were well done, and they established Dany’s decent into Targaryen rage nicely.
At the same time, the logistics continue to be quite dumb.
Getting ambushed, again, by Euron and losing a dragon is really dumb.
And why didn’t Cersei march out and murder Dany and her two dozen soldiers after she rejected the peace agreement? At least fire those scorpions at them, maybe? Seems like a reasonable thing for anyone at war to do, much less someone who no longer cares about honor (or whatever).
Tyrion’s decent into stupid marches on - how many times is he going to try to reason with Cersei? I get that he loves his family and blah blah - but he murdered his own father and it seems like Cersei has earned that level of animosity at least. Seems like he’d be on the “send Arya in” bandwagon if they didn’t completely ruin his character as a functioning and intelligent participant in the game of thrones.
Also, I get that Misande saying “dracarys” was supposed to be this super badass moment, but highlighting how the writers kinda suck, especially at story arcs, it takes the bite out of the moment (for me at least) to have that line completely reverse the entire character arc of Misande. She has always been the voice of reason and the defender of the weak - basically the embodiment of peace and innocence the entire show. But now she seems to be advocating the burning of King’s Landing with dragon fire and murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people?
Oh, okay. What a badass line, though!
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Yup...GRRM will be dead before Winds of Winter finally comes out I'm afraid...no way Dream of Spring ever makes it.
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And Jorah. His death and Jon/Aegon's revelation as the Heir Presumptive opened the door. Everything else is pushing her through it.
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There are rumors running round he has both books finished but is waiting for reactions to the show to see what changes need to be made...
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