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Game Thread Game Five: #1 Ohio State 38, #13 Iowa 17 (9/30/06)

Iowa, in my (not-so) expert opinion, has not--and will not--reach the same "elite" level as Ohio State and Michigan. The difference is simple. It's the history. OSU and Michigan have been so dominant over the years that our infrequent lulls of mediocrity are fewer and shorter than the successful periods experienced by teams like Iowa

If I'm counting correctly (and I'm probably off by a couple here and there), in 110 years of B10 football, OSU and/or Mich have been crowned champs 67 times, leaving 43 years that the Big 2 didn't win it all. Of course, most of those years were prior to 1945. Six of those championships went to the University of Chicago. Post WWII, there have been only 18 years that neither of the Big2 were up on top.

The next contender for conference ascendency? Minnesota, with 18 championships (compared to 42 and 30, for UM/OSU)
Minny won 7 championships in a space of 12 years. Of course, that was 1900-1911. They then reeled off 7 more in 9 years (1933-41). They couldn't sustain that success, and never cemented a place in the top tier.

So how 'bout IOWA? Their '02 and '04 championships constitute the Hawks' best run since their 3'fer in '56,'58, and '60. Woo. Hoo.

Another way of viewing things? Eight teams have won/shared the championship since 1999. Seven years, eight Teams. That includes Northwestern and Illinois, mind you. And in those seven years, OSU and UM have combined for 5 titles.

The bottom line is that this is a question of short-term success fueling a misperception of long-term dominance. Iowa's a great team, and Kirk Ferentz is one hell of a good coach. I expect him to keep the Hawks among the perennial front-runners for several more years. But despite what the sportscasters say, what Iowa fans might want to believe, or what you might think after Iowa spanks another mid-level team.... They will not make the leap.

Source, Page 14

Oh, and I tend to view Penn State as a special case--they could manage it, based on their fanbase/support/history, but sadly, it will take the replacement of JoePa (post-retirement, I'm not saying fire the guy) with an exceptional coach. If they flail around in mediocrity (see Ron Zook at Florida), they will have serious problems in the coming years.
 
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Very well done Bucks! The whole team acted like a surgeon with a scalpel. Great focus and execution. What replacement D players ?????
The defense will give up passing yards until they get near the end zone where the field is condensed and the zone each player plays extends from the end line to the 5 then our speed takes over. They did have that one lapse on the TE td. but thats ok since we won big time.
What can you say about the offense ? they couldnt cover everyone we have.
The refs were all from IOWA right? I mean i havent seen that much homerism in years. Holding on almost everyplay. You guys were right about that pass interference play and the Ginn fumble? How could they call that crap?
 
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VprHis;622600; said:
Iowa, in my (not-so) expert opinion, has not--and will not--reach the same "elite" level as Ohio State and Michigan. The difference is simple. It's the history. OSU and Michigan have been so dominant over the years that our infrequent lulls of mediocrity are fewer and shorter than the successful periods experienced by teams like Iowa

If I'm counting correctly (and I'm probably off by a couple here and there), in 110 years of B10 football, OSU and/or Mich have been crowned champs 67 times, leaving 43 years that the Big 2 didn't win it all. Of course, most of those years were prior to 1945. Six of those championships went to the University of Chicago. Post WWII, there have been only 18 years that neither of the Big2 were up on top.

The next contender for conference ascendency? Minnesota, with 18 championships (compared to 42 and 30, for UM/OSU)
Minny won 7 championships in a space of 12 years. Of course, that was 1900-1911. They then reeled off 7 more in 9 years (1933-41). They couldn't sustain that success, and never cemented a place in the top tier.

So how 'bout IOWA? Their '02 and '04 championships constitute the Hawks' best run since their 3'fer in '56,'58, and '60. Woo. Hoo.

Another way of viewing things? Eight teams have won/shared the championship since 1999. Seven years, eight Teams. That includes Northwestern and Illinois, mind you. And in those seven years, OSU and UM have combined for 5 titles.

The bottom line is that this is a question of short-term success fueling a misperception of long-term dominance. Iowa's a great team, and Kirk Ferentz is one hell of a good coach. I expect him to keep the Hawks among the perennial front-runners for several more years. But despite what the sportscasters say, what Iowa fans might want to believe, or what you might think after Iowa spanks another mid-level team.... They will not make the leap.

Source, Page 14

Oh, and I tend to view Penn State as a special case--they could manage it, based on their fanbase/support/history, but sadly, it will take the replacement of JoePa (post-retirement, I'm not saying fire the guy) with an exceptional coach. If they flail around in mediocrity (see Ron Zook at Florida), they will have serious problems in the coming years.

You are right, Iowa has made it's run and is now bogging down. They simply do not have the recruiting base to consistently compete w/ tOSU and scUM. The Hawkeyes thought they might be making a move on the Chicago area, recruiting wise, after their big haul a couple of years ago, but that was a one time thing-ND,Illinois,etc. have reclaimed their territory. Ferentz will always have an upper tier B-10 program, but not one that weill consistently scare scuM/OSU. It is still the Big 2, and the other 9.
 
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Taosman;622650; said:
Corso is the "Kiss of Death"! :tongue2:

Great job Iowa fans! Impressive support! :bow:

How good will "Robo" become? :biggrin:

And don't forget Hartline! :biggrin:

And props to Teddy's and all the WRs blocking all night! :bow:

How about Freeman finally getting a big play :bow:
and O'neal playing well:bow:
Gholston being a monster sized animal:bow:
 
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I am still wondering:

How did Hall make that catch?

How in the world did Robo even SEE that throw.. let alone CATCH it !!!?!?!?!?! :yow1:

If I am NOT an OSU fan.. I am hoping that:

Gholston's one armed --- WWF tackles.. WHILE being blocked isn't a sign of the future

Iowa game wasn't finally the wake up call for Freeman

Is it just me... or does anyone else notice that somehow... Datish is in EVERY camera shot looking to maul someone downfield when a runner is tackled...
 
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NJ-Buckeye;622663; said:
I am still wondering:

How did Hall make that catch?

How in the world did Robo even SEE that throw.. let alone CATCH it !!!?!?!?!?! :yow1:

If I am NOT an OSU fan.. I am hoping that:

Gholston's one armed --- WWF tackles.. WHILE being blocked isn't a sign of the future

Iowa game wasn't finally the wake up call for Freeman

Is it just me... or does anyone else notice that somehow... Datish is in EVERY camera shot looking to maul someone downfield when a runner is tackled...
Hall jumped up. He saw that one coming all the way
Robo's was a peek a boo catch . great focus
Gholston wasnt being blocked on the play, he was being held :biggrin: thus the one armed tackle.
He is a monster sized animal for sure.
I'm glad Freeman got a highlight sized play.
Datish the glue.:osu:
 
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