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Floods, Fossils, Science and Faith (Split from Global Warming)

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MuckFich06;738064; said:
That is correct. Hebrew doesn't have vowels, so translations can be tricky.
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Actually it does have vowels, in the form of varying configurations and locations of dots around the letters. E.g. "." under a letter is "ee", "." half-way up the line and to the left of a letter is "ooh" . . .

Most of the time the Israelis don't actually use the vowels, however, and don't seem to need the them. Torahs don't have them, which makes ancient text translation, as you say, and getting bar mitzvahed even more of a pain in the rear than it otherwise would be.
 
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we all know that mammoths and many other creatures were flash frozen at some point in the past because we've found them with undigested food in their stomachs, and even with food in their mouths. freezing over several days would allow the stomach juices to continue breaking down the food, sooo....

what do you think of this?

do fluctuating sea levels account for whales in Vermont?
 
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lvbuckeye;738871; said:
we all know that mammoths and many other creatures were flash frozen at some point in the past because we've found them with undigested food in their stomachs, and even with food in their mouths. freezing over several days would allow the stomach juices to continue breaking down the food, sooo....?
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Without knowing the science for sure, it seems to me that when something dies, it's likely to stop secreting stomach acid, or at least to stop producing more (it might secrete what's been produced and not yet secreted). If something croaks with a full stomach, it seems feasible that it might well not produce enough acid to digest everything. Food doesn't just fall into a huge vat of stomach acid when swallowed: The stomach produces smaller quantities of acid over a longer period. Also, I doubt it takes several days for even something as big as a mammoth to get cold enough, if not to freeze solid, to slow the digestion/decomposition process exponentially. Seeing deer carcasses my Dad hung up in cold weather suggests that to me. In sum, I need more than a bald assertion to convince me that flash freezing is needed for a corpse to retain undigested food.
 
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MuckFich06;738110; said:
if you translate Genesis literally, all plants and animals were created for the use of humans... including cannabis
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Not what i was reffering too..the jewish holy annoiting oil, used to annoit david (and the other jewish kings) and baptise Christ, has some couple hundred grams of marijuana in it, it was mistranslated orginally to 'calmus' but they've discovered it's actually cannabis.

EDIT: This has come up before a while back:

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According to some scholars, [attribution needed] cannabis was an ingredient of holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts. The herb of interest is most commonly known as kanah-bosim (קְנֵה-בֹשֶׂם) (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos[1]) which is mentioned several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material, incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high priest of the temple. The Septuagint translates kaneh-bosm as calamus, and this translation has been propagated unchanged to most later translations of the old testament. However, Polish anthropologist Sula Benet published etymological arguments that the Aramaic word for hemp can be read as kannabos and appears to be a cognate to the modern word 'cannabis',[2] with the root kan meaning reed or hemp and bosm meaning fragrant. Both cannabis and calamus are fragrant, reedlike plants containing psychotropic compounds.
 
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Jagdaddy;739063; said:
Without knowing the science for sure, it seems to me that when something dies, it's likely to stop secreting stomach acid, or at least to stop producing more (it might secrete what's been produced and not yet secreted). If something croaks with a full stomach, it seems feasible that it might well not produce enough acid to digest everything. Food doesn't just fall into a huge vat of stomach acid when swallowed: The stomach produces smaller quantities of acid over a longer period. Also, I doubt it takes several days for even something as big as a mammoth to get cold enough, if not to freeze solid, to slow the digestion/decomposition process exponentially. Seeing deer carcasses my Dad hung up in cold weather suggests that to me. In sum, I need more than a bald assertion to convince me that flash freezing is needed for a corpse to retain undigested food.
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of course i have no way of actually knowing, but i'm going to go out on a limb and say that the deer carcasses that your father hung up were gutted.

rather than get hung up on how long it takes stomach acid to break food down in a dead animal, and trying top extrapolate how long that translates to the animal going rancid, let's pay attention to perhaps an even more important bit of evidence:
"Its death must have occurred very quickly after its fall, for we found
half-chewed food still in its mouth, between the back teeth and on its
tongue, which was in good preservation. The food consisted of leaves and
grasses, some of the later carrying seeds. We could tell from these that
the mammoth must have come to its miserable end in the autumn."
- E. W. Pfizenmayer
Siberian Man and Mammoth


 
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lvbuckeye;738871; said:
we all know that mammoths and many other creatures were flash frozen at some point in the past because we've found them with undigested food in their stomachs, and even with food in their mouths. freezing over several days would allow the stomach juices to continue breaking down the food, sooo....
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We do not all know this. Some choose to question those assumptions.
 
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lvbuckeye;739798; said:
of course i have no way of actually knowing, but i'm going to go out on a limb and say that the deer carcasses that your father hung up were gutted.

rather than get hung up on how long it takes stomach acid to break food down in a dead animal, and trying top extrapolate how long that translates to the animal going rancid, let's pay attention to perhaps an even more important bit of evidence:
"Its death must have occurred very quickly after its fall, for we found
half-chewed food still in its mouth, between the back teeth and on its
tongue, which was in good preservation. The food consisted of leaves and
grasses, some of the later carrying seeds. We could tell from these that
the mammoth must have come to its miserable end in the autumn."
- E. W. Pfizenmayer
Siberian Man and Mammoth
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Good point on the gutting.

The rest proves nothing IMO.
 
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Bleed S & G;739262; said:
Not what i was reffering too..the jewish holy annoiting oil, used to annoit david (and the other jewish kings) and baptise Christ, has some couple hundred grams of marijuana in it, it was mistranslated orginally to 'calmus' but they've discovered it's actually cannabis.
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You know, this is really close to being an excellent Freudian slip. If you had said "Not what I was reefering too", it would have been perfect. :tongue2:
 
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