Fiance of Memphis Judge Accused of Paying Woman ...

[tibor75]

As someone who has had two eight year-old daughters, I shudder to think what I would have been capable of I found out someone had done this to one of them. What is the world coming to?

The world is doing the same thing it's always been doing. It's foolish to think that humanity is worsening. The difference is that before this wasn't reported. That's progress, I suppose.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

yeah, its a story like that that really brings home the inherent worthlessness of most of the sea of humanity.

"Most"?? Are you guys for real? That's some serious cynicism. We've got 300 million people in this country, and a very small handful of them do something sick and twisted like this. It's sad and horrible, yes, but it's not like it's happening in every neighborhood in America.

Frankly, I am more concerned that there are people here who would take an extreme case and conclude from it that humanity is worthless. It makes me wonder about YOU.

 

[NightmaresDad]

Originally posted by Mooktar: The democratic do gooders have pressuriezed against punishment for so long we are a bunch of anti-punishment pansies. We need to bring back hard penalties.

I think what he might be referring to is the Vermont situation(s), which is pretty fucked up to be sure. However, it is equally fucked up to think this is a democrat/republican or liberal/conservative issue or anything like that. The cold truth is that most people support very strong penalties for these demented fucks, but that the judicial system does very little to punish these people in some places...however I do think making sure the general pop knows what they did as suggested above might make their stay a bit less comfortable. This will get better in the penalty phase as Jessica's Law takes effect in most states.

RE: bold print -- I think this is exactly what he meant. I don't think very many of these judges of which you speak are conservative judges.
I hope you are right about Jessica's law's effectiveness.

I remember a story about 5 years ago about a woman pimping out her 2 year old daughter to support her (the mother's) drug habit. There's way too much of this going on in the world, and no, it's not just being reported more, it's happening more. The "do what ever is right for you" moral relativism, while having valid points, has been taken too far, and some people are willing to look the other way at deviant behavior in order to avoid being judged for their own little "harmless pleasures". Society not only has the right but the obligation to draw the line somewhere.
Sorry for the rant.

 

[methomps]

The "do what ever is right for you" moral relativism, while having valid points, has been taken too far, and some people are willing to look the other way at deviant behavior in order to avoid being judged for their own little "harmless pleasures". Society not only has the right but the obligation to draw the line somewhere.
Sorry for the rant.

What does any of this have to do with moral relativism? And who is looking the other way on this?

 

[Bucklion]

What does any of this have to do with moral relativism? And who is looking the other way on this?

Personally I think it is less moral relativism but more the complete fallacy of restorative justice for pedophiles and child predators. The recidivism rate is astronomical for these people, and many of them admit freely they will always do it no matter what treatment they receive. I am all for treating mental health problems, but there is little evidence that "treatment" or "rehabilitation" works with these people, and with this stuff the protection of the most vulnerable of the innocent public should take precedence anyway. The reason I think Jessica's Law will help in the future is that it will take awhile to get past the cases that occurred before the Law took effect, but once we reach that point, there will be far stronger penalties that judges like Cashman who don't believe in punishment can't get around (except in places like Vermont, where Jessica's Law was voted down).

 

[cincibuck]

Breaking news from the Cincinnati Enquirer today includes a story of a couple who took money to let a man have sex with their 9 and 11 year old daughters. He paid the 9 year old (evidently a free agent, but gave the mom the money for the 11 year old)

I have a friend who used to run a child care center... do you have any idea how vile the case has to be to remove a child from a home? And can you imagine what it's like to try and re-educate someone who has been abused to this degree and at such a young age. Most are lost for the rest of their years and many turn around and abuse their own.

 

[Gatorubet]

Personally I think it is less moral relativism but more the complete fallacy of restorative justice for pedophiles and child predators. The recidivism rate is astronomical for these people, and many of them admit freely they will always do it no matter what treatment they receive. I am all for treating mental health problems, but there is little evidence that "treatment" or "rehabilitation" works with these people, and with this stuff the protection of the most vulnerable of the innocent public should take precedence anyway. The reason I think Jessica's Law will help in the future is that it will take awhile to get past the cases that occurred before the Law took effect, but once we reach that point, there will be far stronger penalties that judges like Cashman who don't believe in punishment can't get around (except in places like Vermont, where Jessica's Law was voted down).

To be fair, "Jessica's Law" was not voted down in Vermont, as "Jessica's Law" is not one law, per se, but a number of laws on various matters from sentencing to probation to registration/community notification of offenders. Several ideas were adopted by Vermont, and some of the others were opposed by Vermont law enforcement and prosecutors as counter productive to the professed goal of Jessica's Law proponents. There are valid points to both sides on some of the issues.

I know that Fox has beaten the drum on some of the "Vermont won't protect kids" rhetoric, but like most serious issues, the "fix" to this problem is neither easy or black and white, and the issues are fair more complex than many make out.

I agree that the relatively high rate of recidivism in this cases is troubling, and I see no reason for chemical castration to be withheld as a possible sentence.

 

[OCBuckWife]

The world is doing the same thing it's always been doing. It's foolish to think that humanity is worsening. The difference is that before this wasn't reported. .

Oh shit. A second time I have found myself agreeing with Tibor. I may have to shoot myself to save the world.

I would slightly disagree in that it isn't that it is being noticed and reported more but rather in the last couple hundred years attitudes regarding children has greatly changed. It wasn't anything considered WORTH reporting in the past in a lot of places and cultures.

Historically, they have been treated as "little adults", with pretty similar adult responsibility and relative maturity expected of them, not precious innocents. Romans married off their pre-teen daughters, using them as political pawns. During the Victorian era children toiled at the same jobs as adults, often in even more precarious positions due to size. Child prostitutes of both sexes were common throughout the ages and it was expected of them to help support the family.

 

[Taosman]

People like to rag on tibs because of his caustic style, but he is often on point. :tongue2:

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

People like to rag on tibs because of his caustic style, but he is often on point. :tongue2:

I thought people ragged on him because he [censored]s goats.

:p

 

[Muck]

Talk to anyone who's been deployed in Asia. This kinda crap isn't anything new.

I thought people ragged on him because he

goats.

:p

We need a new smiley.

 

[JohnnyCockfight]

My take on the story is this.

The child molester is lucky to have an outside judge brought in for a couple of reasons. First, the public microscope that will be put on the case due to his engagement to a judge would not allow for any leniency in the case at all by a local judge. Second, this guy brought shame upon his fiancee, presumably a respectable judge, which likely would make her judge friends mad.

His punishment will be severe. Whatever time this guy spends in prison/jail will be either brutal or spent in solitary confinement for his protection. Two groups subject to the worst peer treatment in prison are former law enforcement officials and child molesters, and this guy is both. He will be swiftly raped, and perhaps raped to death, if left in gen pop.

 

[Mike80]

As someone who has had two eight year-old daughters, I shudder to think what I would have been capable of I found out someone had done this to one of them. What is the world coming to?

Ella isn't there yet, but I'll say "no shit" just the same.

This world is going to straight to hell. It's not passing go either....

The supernova can't happen quickly enough

 

[OCBuckWife]

The supernova can't happen quickly enough

I prefer a plague idea, a la the SuperFlu. Give folks a fighting chance, make em realize what they really have to lose, and FIX THINGS. Open up some space, reduce the impact of the simple matter of logistics of billions of people occupying less and less area and removing viable farmland and habitat.

 

[martinss01]

I would slightly disagree in that it isn't that it is being noticed and reported more but rather in the last couple hundred years attitudes regarding children has greatly changed. It wasn't anything considered WORTH reporting in the past in a lot of places and cultures.

its a combination of the fact that attitudes towards children in this country have changed and the near instant availability of information. in the past stories like this wouldn't have made it past local news. today the victim is on youtube 3 minutes after she confides to the school counselor.

Historically, they have been treated as "little adults", with pretty similar adult responsibility and relative maturity expected of them, not precious innocents. Romans married off their pre-teen daughters, using them as political pawns. During the Victorian era children toiled at the same jobs as adults, often in even more precarious positions due to size. Child prostitutes of both sexes were common throughout the ages and it was expected of them to help support the family.

agreed. historically and realistically, this is primarily an american taboo and even then only a recent one. if you really look deep into history you will see that this type of behavior is not uncommon. thats of course not to say it is right of course.