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[Mike80]

And Freeh found all this shit WITHOUT (caps for any PedStaters reading) subpoena power...

Just wait until the Feds get involved.

 

[Bucklion]

I love the fact that they are totally missing the point of what Freeh was hired to do, which was investigate to see why this was allowed to occur for so long. He found evidence of a cover up, and reported said findings and what the team (who does this type of work for a living) surmised from the evidence found.

There is still a lot out there to be reported, and like I have said before, these people will not like the outcome of the other investigations.

I honestly think that if a handwritten note from JoePed is found that said "Cover this up, bury it deep, we have a great chance for a NC run" surfaces and is verified 100% to be penned by JoePed, these loonies will still not believe it.

If JoPed came to them as a spirit in the night and told them to their own faces that he was complicit and that he lied, they STILL wouldn't believe it.

When people superglue the wool over their eyes, they aren't going to see the truth if it hit them in the face.

Not to mention the guy basically all but apologized for all the shit he had to say. One thing no one can claim with any temerity is that Freeh was looking for a Paterno Gotchafest...nothing could be further from the truth, which makes the reaction to the report by the hardcore Koolaiders even more difficult to figure out. This is a guy who would have loved to have exhonorated Paterno...if he could have. The FACTS said otherwise.

 

[ucfknight]

And Freeh found all this [Mark May] WITHOUT (caps for any PedStaters reading) subpoena power...

I don't know how Freeh was able to get all the information he did get without subpoena power. That's really impressive.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

I don't know how Freeh was able to get all the information he did get without subpoena power. That's really impressive.

He did lead the FBI during the GWB era... windowless vans, blackout head bags, secluded locations, and a lot of water will get answers...

I joke, I joke

I agree it is really impressive and also reflects poorly on those people who for years who might have wanted to speak up to use this as an excuse to finally come clean....

 

[jlb1705]

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Posted: Today 11:52 AM
A study in appeasement

I'm sure this will get wrapped into one of the threads but I felt the need to start my own thread since I've been talking about appeasement for several months now. I've mentioned time and time again that PSU's policy of appeasement will get them no where. Let's review:

1) ESPN and media mob say it's imperative Joe is fired asap, otherwise, PSU will care more about the coach than the kids. Rather than the University standing up and fighting for Joe, they say "Okay, that should help the healing".

2) Crazed mob says "everyone needs to be fired and the University needs to start over fresh". The University should say, "the media has rushed to judgment, let's wait for the courts to sort things out and we'll go from there". Instead, they clean house and let the board conduct a "thorough investigation".

3) The BoT files the Freeh report to root out all the "nasty things" and take an "outside perspective to make necessary changes in the culture going forward". The BoT should have shut the F up and not done anything more at that time. Instead they've commissioned a 3rd party who like salacious writing to document who knows what. Instead of waiting for the perjury trials to root through the facts, they are going to have someone without subpoena power try to make some conclusions.

3a) Because the University is dumb enough to take this step, the NCAA has now decided rather than investigate the school, we'll just read the opening paragraph of the report (that's time and time again shown to be inaccurate) to penalize the school.

4) The University, in a rush to get ahead of the NCAA and general mob rule, instead of issuing statements that "the NCAA has no grounds for this and we will fight it as strongly as we can" or "When the NCAA completes their review of similar instances at North Carolina, Syracuse, and Coastal Carolina (I think it was), then we will be happy to accept the punishments. Instead, they say, "we'll abide by whatever". The NCAA will now literally give PSU the 2nd harshest penalty ever based solely on the Freeh report. Are you kidding me?!?

So, this lesson in appeasement (again, read the book about WW2 and why appeasement never ever works) has shown us that when you tuck tail and constantly appease your aggressor (media mob), you always lose. You always lose.

Thank you Erickson and BoT. Your weak actions have destroyed this University. I cannot understate this enough. We will never be "the clean University". The Grand Experiment is over. No one will ever say "you're the school that has never been penalized by the NCAA". That's over. There has been NOTHING that has been done wrong athletically by the University. If PSU was firm and rigid from the start, the NCAA would have gone through at least a year or two looking into things and nothing would have happened to the University. Miami, despite so much evidence laid out by Yahoo! sports, still hasn't been punished. We will become completely irrelevant over the next 2 years, the coaching staff will move on, we will lose, my guess, 30-50M a year in revenue over this which will basically cripple athletics as a whole, and you can bet applications will drop significantly over the next few years. Add in the cutbacks in the state budget (and an open window to annihilate that funding), and this University will go from top 50-60 world wide to a decent school that is way overpriced. I can't emphasize this enough.

Summing up to my original point, this will be a great study on appeasement. Rather than standing up to the media, say everyone is shocked that this guy is such a monster and we have done everything we knew and let the courts sort things out and we have no further comment, PSU decided to put themselves on a stake and ask the masses not to destroy them. However, as with all cases of appeasement, the masses have murdered them triumphantly. PSU has lost. Every choice has been the worst choice possible. They have not only admitted guilt but they've built an express lane so that all can punish PSU without a road block. Possibly the cleanest major University will now get the 2nd biggest penalty in NCAA history without any documented reason other than "with the benefit of hindsight, I wish I would have done more".

Thanks Erickson, you have done more damage to this school than everything the other 4 have done combined.

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Posted: Today 12:12 PM
Re: A study in appeasement

I just can't believe that the NCAA is going to punish PSU based on the Freeh report after a week when it's pretty darn likely that the report isn't even correct. Hell, the only true argument they could make is related to the Cleary Act and I've heard from several sources that it's likely we actually did file the correct paperwork.

I'm just so sick. I really thought this wasn't going to happen. I'm not sure how I'll ever recover. I was fine with having a crappy football season this year and next year would be intriguing but year 3 would be the first real go at the big time. Now, I don't see how this team is competitive for the next 5 years at least and, if the chatter is even remotely accurate, we might never have a top 10-20 team again. There are too many BoT's that think the University shouldn't even have football because they just don't understand, right or wrong, football is a way to get applicants in the door. There are many thousands like me that grew up going to football games and falling in love with the school in the fall and then learning about the academics and deciding they have to go there. Without football, it's just another place that's kind of far away, really expensive, and state related. The BoT is clueless and I just don't know what I can do to help make a difference.

I'm sad and I'm pretty defeated.

The heart of the Clery Act it that crimes on campus must be disclosed to the campus community so they can make informed decisions about their safety. If they did indeed "file the paperwork" or whatever, the FACT still stands that they didn't disclose anything to the campus community. In what universe is it better to file the paperwork but not actually tell the people about the crimes?

Yeah, thousands of people grew up admiring the football team, the coaches and the school. Some of those people were raped by a coach, at the school. These crimes were committed against people just like you. Hell, it could have BEEN you. The people who cared about Penn State were betrayed, and instead of being outraged at them they are doubling down on defending them.

I know... "Cults, man".

 

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Posted: Today 12:11 PM
Re: NCAA to hand down "unprecedented" sanctions


" sports related disaster". There is still zero evidents this is even connected to football. How can NCAA do this without any evidents this was related to football?

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Posted: Today 12:12 PM
RE: CBS report on sanctions


And the proof of this is shown where? In all the documents....all the hearings...Where is this evidence? Hey...if it actually comes out that this is the case...throw the book at us. The problem is....this is totally unproven opinion and conjecture being narrated by a ratings hungry media. Unfortunately....the masses have no idea how they are being manipulated. This is akin to the propoganda that the Nazi party put out about the Jews once they took control of Germany. Founding fathers are rolling in their graves watching this crap go on.

 

[Muck]

He did lead the FBI during the GWB era... windowless vans, blackout head bags, secluded locations, and a lot of water will get answers...

Wrong agency.

 

[NFBuck]

"evidents"

That's almost as good as "by enlarge".

 

[jlb1705]

That's almost as good as "by enlarge".

Indeed.

 

[NFBuck]

templarwd over on Audibles will give anybody a run for their money. He's mad as hell, and he's not going to take it anymore!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!!

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

psu1earl wrote: I was wondering the same thing... All the people so worried about the victims, but has anyone even asked them for their opinion on any of this? I have not heard or read anything from the victims...​

bigjohn58 wrote: Having known a few of the victims I don't think any of them are smart enough to really give a quality opinion. Sad but its true!​

 

[buxfan4life]

psu1earl wrote: I was wondering the same thing... All the people so worried about the victims, but has anyone even asked them for their opinion on any of this? I have not heard or read anything from the victims...​

bigjohn58 wrote: Having known a few of the victims I don't think any of them are smart enough to really give a quality opinion. Sad but its true!​

Wow. Folks, that is the pedsters for ya.

 

[sepia5]

I'm really enjoying the offensive and crazy responses that a sane Ped Stater, pennrelay02, is getting in this thread on Audibles as he gives his entirely justified take on the scandal. I particularly appreciate roarlions89, both for the predictability of his arguments and for their ridiculousness.

pennrelay02
Posted: Today 8:41 AM

Re: The case against Joe Paterno

nothing changes for me unless new info comes out.

paterno was told of a grown man (his assistant for many years) doing something in a shower with a boy that even he understood to be of a sexual nature.

he reported it to his superiors. at no point did he, any of them, or MM decide it was serious enough to warrant going to the authorities. it is a complete failure by every single one of them.

add to that any knowledge of the "why" of the '98 investigation and its even worse.

the failure was one that could not be made and affected severely the lives of many.

pennrelay02

. . . there comes a point where it is clear that the matter never got investigated at all and it becomes very concerning to any man interested in any semblance of justice for that kid in the shower. . . .

psu1earl

It depends what Paterno was told about it... A statement like,"WE have taken measures that it will not happen again and found it to be a misunderstanding like in 1998." It would be understandable that Paterno would not do anything else regarding... This is even more plausible since MM's GJ testimony is that he gave Paterno a very watered down version of what he saw... Since the GJ and all others involved in the investigation seem to agree with that version and found MM truthful in his statements, I would have to agree with MM's account of what he told Paterno...

roarlions89

pennrelay doesnt want to let facts get in the way of his opinion.

Yea! Where are the FACTS, anyway?

pennrelay02

except that it wasnt watered down enough for jp to misunderstand it as anything but "of a sexual nature". JP admitted to this understanding of it. the words watered down are vague. his own admittance of the nature of what he was told is much less so.


to be told "WE have taken measures that it will not happen again" yet admitting an understanding of a sexual encounter would lead a reasonable person to believe the only reasonable measure would be contacting authorities. nothing less.

i simply find it FAR more credible that these guys, as a group, recognized this as a risk to the psu football brand image and decided to keep it quiet.

they may well have convinced themselves it wasnt that serious. that they were able to rationalize it to that level is on them.

now the failures are being paid for. considering the massiveness of the failures, i have had no issues with the penalties. they still get to play football. they still can play on tv.

roarlions89

The term "sexual nature" is extremely vague.

Because there is some behavior of a "sexual nature" that is totally acceptable between a grown man and a young boy.

And the dude can't be a troll--he's got nearly 1700 posts on that board.

 

[buxfan4life]

And the dude can't be a troll--he's got nearly 1700 posts on that board.

Doesn't post count go across all boards on Scout and Rivals? I thought some Michigan guys that were posting on BWI that had something like 7000 posts.

 

[sepia5]

Doesn't post count go across all boards on Scout and Rivals? I thought some Michigan guys that were posting on BWI that had something like 7000 posts.

Looks like you're right. So there's a chance that this is ORD . . . .