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Everett Golson (official thread)

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Fungo Squiggly said:
What a sham this whole system is. The irony of a kid who was declared academically ineligible FOR CHEATING and is now magically graduating on time AND wanting to pursue a graduate degree at another school....that just happens to be a football power.....man, oh man. It's just too much for this guy. It's damned absurd, is what it is.
(Not that I believe Anthony Lee really transferred to OSU for its ACADEMIC'S -- not because they had an opening at the #4 spot -- but at least he wasn't suspended for an entire semester for violating a university's academic honor code.)
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He was never actually academically ineligible, he was suspended for an honor code violation as a result of that test if I recall. I realize it's splitting hairs, but when it comes down to it the difference is cheating on a test and failing enough classes to be below the necessary GPA level. I'm sure many programs wouldn't have done more than suspend him for a game or two under the same circumstances. The fact still remains that Golson has been more trouble than he's worth in his time at ND, and quite frankly I think it's Zaire's time as he's done all the right things since he came to campus.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Won't he be a redshirt junior next year? Not that would not let him transfer, but wouldn't he have 2 years remaining?

Edit: NVM, he was a redshirt junior this season. I even accounted for the year out, I'm just an idiot.
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It's definitely a little sketchy as far as where Golson is when it comes to graduation. He redshirted after early enrolling in 2011, played 2012, sat out 2013 and lost that year of eligibility, played 2014. So, if he manages to graduate in the spring, that leaves him with a graduate year available somewhere immediately. There are some that question if he'll have enough done to get the degree in the spring through, considering he lost a semester or two during the suspension.
 
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ulukinatme said:
He was never actually academically ineligible, he was suspended for an honor code violation as a result of that test if I recall. I realize it's splitting hairs, but when it comes down to it the difference is cheating on a test and failing enough classes to be below the necessary GPA level. I'm sure many programs wouldn't have done more than suspend him for a game or two under the same circumstances. The fact still remains that Golson has been more trouble than he's worth in his time at ND, and quite frankly I think it's Zaire's time as he's done all the right things since he came to campus.
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I'm sure there is a distinction to be made, but I just don't find that distinction even remotely compelling. (Just a for your FYI --- that sounds a lot snarkier than I mean it to -- :lol:).

I mean, I'm willing to suspend disbelief that the Russell Wilson's and Greg Paulus's's's and Anthony Lee's are truly transferring to pursue additional educational opportunities and not primarily for athletic reasons (even if I am really, REALLY skeptical) but I just can't even begin to give Golson that benefit of the doubt given the academic incident in his past.
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
I'm sure there is a distinction to be made, but I just don't find that distinction even remotely compelling. (Just a for your FYI --- that sounds a lot snarkier than I mean it to -- :lol:).

I mean, I'm willing to suspend disbelief that the Russell Wilson's and Greg Paulus's's's and Anthony Lee's are truly transferring to pursue additional educational opportunities and not primarily for athletic reasons (even if I am really, REALLY skeptical) but I just can't even begin to give Golson that benefit of the doubt given the academic incident in his past.
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I agree. Whatever grad school opportunities Golson pursues, if he does pursue one outside of ND, it's going to be for athletic purposes only. Then again...depending on where he goes, it might be a step up academically. Notre Dame is known for their undergrad, but outside of a few programs their grad school isn't exactly...the creme de la creme. :lol:
 
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As regards the graduate student exclusion, I'm not so concerned as many of you seem to be about the "reason" for a student-athlete taking advantage of it. So long as the result is the student-athlete obtaining a Master's degree, it's all to the good.

On the other OTOH, if the kid fails to secure the advanced degree it's a shame.
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
I'm sure there is a distinction to be made, but I just don't find that distinction even remotely compelling. (Just a for your FYI --- that sounds a lot snarkier than I mean it to -- :lol:).

I mean, I'm willing to suspend disbelief that the Russell Wilson's and Greg Paulus's's's and Anthony Lee's are truly transferring to pursue additional educational opportunities and not primarily for athletic reasons (even if I am really, REALLY skeptical) but I just can't even begin to give Golson that benefit of the doubt given the academic incident in his past.
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These athletes have either gotten their degree or they haven't. More power to them if they can get more training athletic (or otherwise) at another school.
 
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MaxBuck said:
As regards the graduate student exclusion, I'm not so concerned as many of you seem to be about the "reason" for a student-athlete taking advantage of it. So long as the result is the student-athlete obtaining a Master's degree, it's all to the good.

On the other OTOH, if the kid fails to secure the advanced degree it's a shame.
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Given that most of them are only there for one year, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess they don't. Maybe my viewpoint is biased due to the degree fields around me, but most masters are 2 year programs anymore.
I have serious doubts that somebody who cheated on a test would so easily find themselves getting into a Masters program, however. Let alone allowed to stay on any other kind of scholarship.
 
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