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Enough is Enough.................

Him or me, BN27?

He may be, but I don't believe that will prevent him from having some good games in the NFL. I'm not saying he'll be a star or win any rings, because he's obviously not a team player and that makes a big difference.

But how different do you think MoC's behavior is from Terrell Owens'?
 
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I can re-call two years ago when Jim Brown was offering to help Clarett in his cause. I think Brown even said something like "I have seen the way Jim Tressel does things down in Columbus and I am very impressed." That may not be the exact quote but it was something close to it. To me Jim Brown was the hardest running back that i have ever witnessed and he could have easily played another 9 or 10 more years in the NFL. My friends up in Y-Town (4 years ago) were calling me here in Florida and telling me that Maurice Clarett is going to be the Next Jim Brown.

That COULD have been pretty close to the truth...... but now i wonder if that will ever come to fruition. And i wonder what Jim Brown is thinking at this point and time. I guess even Jim Brown had some issues to deal with and maybe still does, but the fact of the matter is that he even tried to help Maurice deal with the realitys that he was facing. Right now i have sad memories of what could have been for Clarett if only he would have stayed the course for coach Tressel and The Ohio State University. I know for sure that all the fans up in Y-Town are all so saddened by this latest incident brought on my Maurice.

Which brings me to an ending thought. Back in the early 60's alot of us remembered a marvelous football player by the name of Ernie Davis out of Syracuse University who was the Browns 1st draft pick. We were all thinking "Wow Jim Brown and Ernie Davis on the same team" But sad to say that a dreaded disease of Lukemia took this wonderful young mans life. We will never know how great he could have been. So strong and so muscular just like Maurice was. But the only strongest muscle that Clarett had was HIS TONGUE.
 
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BuckeyeBill73 said:
Him or me, BN27?

He may be, but I don't believe that will prevent him from having some good games in the NFL. I'm not saying he'll be a star or win any rings, because he's obviously not a team player and that makes a big difference.

But how different do you think MoC's behavior is from Terrell Owens'?
him.

and terrel owens is just funny. hes not a complete asshole like clarett. plus he is productive.

Which brings me to an ending thought. Back in the early 60's alot of us remembered a marvelous football player by the name of Ernie Davis out of Syracuse University who was the Browns 1st draft pick. We were all thinking "Wow Jim Brown and Ernie Davis on the same team" But sad to say that a dreaded disease of Lukemia took this wonderful young mans life. We will never know how great he could have been. So strong and so muscular just like Maurice was. But the only strongest muscle that Clarett had was HIS TONGUE.
ernie was from my neck of the woods. he's a god up here.

wasnt he drafted and traded to the browns?
 
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I know for sure that all the fans up in Y-Town are all so saddened by this latest incident brought on my Maurice.

I am one of those Y-Towners your speaking of. I watched Clarett for his junior and senior years in high school. A man among boys on the field. I was so excited that he was going to be a Buckeye. I was at his first game, the Texas Tech home opener, when the entire 'shoe was chanting his name. I thought "What a great ride this is gonna be." Fortunately, I learned long ago not to invest too much emotional energy into a specific player. I am disappointed though, and think about "What could have been", but that's all. However, I am more than disappointed in how this is going to affect Tressel. In fact I am quite angry. Football x's and o's aside for a moment. With all the low-life scumbags that roam/have roamed the sidelines of college football, this is happening to Tressel? A man who stands for everything that is good in coaching and life. A man who us Y-Towners have known and respected for years. A man who goes out of his way to be a part of a community. A man who uses his position to teach life lessons, not just football. A man who's very core is being attacked, and yet he does not lash out. This is happening to Tressel? I know some on here like to take cheap shots at Tressel. They like to make fun of posters like me with their sarcastic "I thought Tressel was a saint" comments and I generally let it go. But, at this point in time, I feel the need to defend him because I know what kind of man Tressel is. He was part of our sorry-ass town and acted like it was the best place on earth. While we struggled through the Mickey Monus's, Lenny Strollo's and James Traficant's of the world. Tressel made us proud of being from Y-Town and I am so disheartened there are people in this world who take joy in making villains out of good people. Unfortunately, in this day and age, just saying somebody is dirty is usually enough to make them dirty. Two years removed from the greatest sports moment of my life and I can honestly say I would trade that moment in for this never to have happened. tOSU doesn't deserve this. Jim Tressel doesn't deserve this. And the great alums and fans of the University don't deserve this.
 
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Ernie Davis was indeed drafted by the Redskins and traded to the Browns.

This was taken from the full article below.

The Washington Redskins made Davis the first pick in the NFL draft on Dec. 4, 1961, but soon traded him to the Cleveland Browns, who signed him to the largest contract up to that time for a rookie -- three years for $65,000 plus a $15,000 bonus.


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"The way he carried himself, the way he did not drown in his own tears, the way that he did not hang on his sickness, the way that he functioned as a human being under all of those conditions was tremendous courage," says Jim Brown about Ernie Davis.



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The honors came early and often, from the time he started with organized sports. Ernie Davis succeeded at every venue, a three-sport standout in high school, a two-time All-American halfback at Syracuse.



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</TD></TR><TR><TD width=195>[font=verdana, arial, geneva]Davis rushed for 2,386 yards and scored 220 points for the Orangemen.[/font]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>He led Elmira (N.Y.) Free Academy to a 52-game winning streak in basketball and as a Syracuse sophomore helped the Orangemen gain their only national football championship. As a senior in 1961, he became the first African-American to receive the Heisman Trophy and was the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft.



And then, stunningly, he was gone. Struck down by leukemia, Davis never realized his dream of playing in the NFL.



In March 1963, while in remission, Davis wrote an article for The Saturday Evening Post in which he said, "Some people say I am unlucky. I don't believe it. And I don't want to sound as if I am particularly brave or unusual. Sometimes I still get down, and sometimes I feel sorry for myself. Nobody is just one thing all the time.



"But when I look back I can't call myself unlucky. My 23rd birthday was December 14. In these years I have had more than most people get in a lifetime."



Two months later, Davis died.



Davis was a coach's dream: modest, hard working, team-oriented, a sportsman who never put down opponents or teammates. "An excellent practice player. He lapped everyone," said John Mackey, a Syracuse teammate who later starred in the NFL.



Davis never took himself that seriously. He was quiet, a stutterer as a child who improved his speech as demands on his public speaking increased. He remained appreciative of those who helped him on the road to fame.



Friends noticed. Ben Schwartzwalder, his football coach at Syracuse, said, "I never met another human being as good as Ernie."



Davis was born on Dec. 14, 1939, in New Salem, Pa. His parents separated shortly after his birth, and his father was soon killed in an accident. He grew up in poverty in Uniontown, a coal-mining town 50 miles south of Pittsburgh, where he was raised by caring grandparents.



At 12, Davis moved to live with his mother and stepfather in Elmira. A high school All-American in football and basketball, he won 11 letters at Elmira Free Academy. Of the three sports he played, he thought he was weakest in baseball, though a scout once predicted that with some refinements in his swing, Davis could become a major leaguer.



The growing media attention never changed him. "Ernie was the same kid at the end he was at the start," said Jim Flynn, his high school basketball coach.



More than 30 colleges, including UCLA and Notre Dame, recruited Davis for football, but Syracuse, just 90 miles away, held an advantage. Syracuse also had a famous player in its corner, Jim Brown, the first in a line of star running backs with the Orangemen.



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</TD></TR><TR><TD width=195>[font=verdana, arial, geneva]Davis was a two-time All-American at Syracuse.[/font]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>"I wanted to play in the big time," Davis said after leaving Syracuse, "and a lot of people, including Jim Brown, persuaded me that I'd have better opportunities there."



Davis didn't disappoint in Syracuse. The only black player on the freshman team, he led the squad to its first unbeaten season, then became the varsity's top rusher as a sophomore in 1959. With colleges still playing one-platoon football (Davis played defensive back as well as halfback), Syracuse assembled a dominant team. The Orange outscored opponents 390-59 in its 10-0 regular season before gaining its first bowl victory.



Dubbed the "next Jim Brown," the 6-foot-1, 205-pound Davis wore Brown's No. 44. He ran for 686 yards in the regular season, averaging seven yards a carry, and scored 10 touchdowns (eight rushing). Against West Virginia, he ran for 141 yards on nine carries, setting a school record for per-carry average, 15.7, and scoring twice.



In Syracuse's 23-14 victory over Texas in the Cotton Bowl that clinched the national title, Davis, despite playing with a hamstring pull, scored two touchdowns, one on a bowl-record 87-yard reception, and was selected the game's Most Valuable Player. Just before halftime there was a bench-clearing brawl with racial overtones. Syracuse linemen contended that a Texas lineman delivered a racial slur to John Brown, a black Syracuse player, igniting the fight.



Davis was to have received his MVP award at the awards banquet that night. But when bowl officials said that only white players were invited to the dinner and that Davis would have to leave after picking up his trophy, the Syracuse team refused to attend the affair.



Before his junior year, Davis was chosen a preseason All-American by Playboy magazine, whose sports editor Anson Mount later called him the "greatest running back who ever lived up to that time."



The 1960 season began with an 80-yard Davis touchdown run on the first play from scrimmage against Boston University. "Those blockers wiped everyone out," Davis said. "A little kid could have run that one."



Syracuse won its first five games, then was upset by Pittsburgh 10-0, ending its 22-game regular-season winning streak. The Orange fell to Army the next week and finished the season 7-2 and without a bowl bid.



Davis was the nation's third-leading rusher, running for 877 yards and a school-record 7.8 yards per carry as he was voted an All-American.



The Orangemen went a disappointing 7-3 in the 1961 regular season, but Davis ran for 823 yards as he averaged "only" 5.5 yards a carry and scored 94 points. He completed his career by rushing for 140 yards and scoring a touchdown in Syracuse's 15-14 victory over Miami (Fla.) in the Liberty Bowl.



His career 2,386 rushing yards and 220 points broke Brown's school records.



"He's the kind of runner you hate to coach against," Penn State coach Joe Paterno said. "You can't instruct a boy to tackle a man if he can't catch him."



An All-American again, Davis beat out Ohio State's Bob Ferguson and Texas' Jimmy Saxton for college football's most prestigious award. "Winning the Heisman Trophy is something you just dream about," Davis said. "You never think it could happen to you."



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</TD></TR><TR><TD width=195>[font=verdana, arial, geneva]Davis met President John Kennedy while in New York to accept the Heisman Trophy.[/font]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>When he was in New York to receive the Heisman, Davis met President John Kennedy, a short visit that thrilled him. "Imagine," Davis said, "a president wanting to shake hands with me."



The Washington Redskins made Davis the first pick in the NFL draft on Dec. 4, 1961, but soon traded him to the Cleveland Browns, who signed him to the largest contract up to that time for a rookie -- three years for $65,000 plus a $15,000 bonus.



The next July, while training with the College All-Stars for their game against the NFL champion Green Bay Packers, Davis awoke one morning with swelling in his neck. A trainer sent him to the hospital, and doctors soon discovered the leukemia.



They told Davis he had a blood disorder, but didn't tell him it was leukemia until October, after he had been in and out of the hospital. "Either you fight or you give up," Davis said in recalling how he felt when told the news. "For a time I was so despondent I would just lie there, not even wanting to move. One day I got hold of myself. I decided I would face up to whatever I had and try to beat it."



At that point, the disease was in remission, his blood count was normal and Davis kept planning for pro football. He practiced with the Browns, though often by himself on the sidelines, and said he felt strong. However, coach Paul Brown, heeding the advice of medical people who warned him of the risks, did not play Davis.



Sitting out frustrated Davis, who said he wasn't in pain. The next spring, Davis noticed more swelling and entered the hospital again. Two days later, on May 18, he died in his sleep.
 
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What a Contrast BuckeyeBill

Man - talk about a contrast in styles, talk about a bygone age.

Clarett - self-centered, sociopathic misfit; Davis - Knight from Camelot struck down tragically in his prime.

Good god - you even have the Forrest Gump-like photo when meeting with JFK!

That was the most sorrowful; AND the most uplifting thing I've read in any of the threads generated by these recent events. Don't know whether to :bow: or :cry:
 
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