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Ebola confirmed in the US

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Jaxbuck said:
My wife is on call at a hospital less than an hour train ride (oh the irony of that) from where this guy was just rolling the dice with other people's lives. She works the ward that the administrators have decided will take any Philly Ebola victims. They still haven't been trained for [Mark May]. So pardon me if I am not as flippant with this as you are.

As far as the odds go, if the government could do something as basic to their reason for existence as protect their own borders the odds would be even better.
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My daughter is just finishing up her Masters in Epidemiology. She can't believe the basic Epi 101 precautions that for some reason our government refuses to put in place. I don't think anyone has an issue with medical and other personnel helping these countries, but to not be smart about taking precautions to minimize the spread of the disease is asinine. Why should an individual like this Dr. be aloud to put others lives at risk when it could easily be prevented?
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Appreciate it.

Can't agree with you there until Hep C gets a mortality rate north of 50%
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Yeah, but how many hep C infected patients get into her ER? Bet the number is frighteningly high.

Regardless of how upset one may be about the CDC response to Ebola, cases of the disease here remain exceptionally rare. But I admit if I had a loved one who was in NYC emergency medicine I'd have a different perspective on things.
 
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For hundreds of years a ship coming to harbor was quarantined for no reason except that it was prudent. Pretty sure that makes us dumber than humans 200 years ago. And Max, fuck the percentages. Don't fucking care. Until you tell me you're unloading the Ebola from Africa, I don't give a fuck what risk you expect other people to take...

Its a losing battle and I don't blame anyone for overreacting. I'm typing on the computer, they're potentially dealing with Ebola...
 
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And Max, I respect your opinion. I do.

I remember the AIDS freakout back in the 80's when nobody knew shit yet and we were all gonna die. A certain amount of freaking out gets people on the job and in the end, is beneficial for all involved...
 
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Crisis management 101 - limit the damage or spread of the issue as best as you possibly can, contain what is there and put rules into place to prevent leakers.

We fail yet again at crisis management. The lack of leadership is appalling.
 
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The reason I worry is because this disease is going to land in one of the big east coast cities sooner or later. It is unavoidable in my imo. We have to be ready for this disease to be in our most assholes to elbows cities. Where people live on top of each other. We'll learn. I have confidence in that. But to be cold heartedly blount, I'd like to sacrifice the least amount of people as possible to get this knowledge. Someone walking through Times Square this New Years with Ebola is a complete nightmare, no matter how contagious or not contagious or whatever else we don't know yet...
 
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Lots of common sense here.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_worl...t_of_those_infected_should_survive_ebola.html
"An Ebola diagnosis need not be a death sentence. Here’s my assertion as an infectious disease specialist: If patients are promptly diagnosed and receive aggressive supportive care—including fluid resuscitation, electrolyte replacement and blood products—the great majority, as many as 90 percent, should survive."
And we are starting to see this.
 
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MaxBuck said:
I guess you prefer North Korea's way of dealing with the "crisis" then.
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Better than the highly trained people dealing with it in NYC. . . .

NYPD Stunner: Cops Exit Ebola Victim Apartment, Dump Gloves, Masks In Sidewalk Trash Can
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...partment-dump-gloves-masks-sidewalk-trash-can

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We need effective leadership here. What we have is effeminate leadership.
 
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Taosman said:
Lots of common sense here.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_worl...t_of_those_infected_should_survive_ebola.html
"An Ebola diagnosis need not be a death sentence. Here’s my assertion as an infectious disease specialist: If patients are promptly diagnosed and receive aggressive supportive care—including fluid resuscitation, electrolyte replacement and blood products—the great majority, as many as 90 percent, should survive."
And we are starting to see this.
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He may be an infectious disease specialist, but he would be a horrible manager. He is there to do the labor (doctoring) not the management function. I don't value his opinion as a manager much at all based on the horrible logic / propaganda.


In theory, you can treat people with fairly good outcomes.

For that theory to be applicable, you need to have available capacity to serve.

Any slight spreading of this and you will see hospital capacity dry up faster than we could react effectively.


It is best to forcibly shut down their borders than try to clean up any mess that leaks out.
 
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What I find chilling, given the carelessness and utter stupidity displayed by multiple individuals and institutions this past month, is the thought of what will happen when (not if--nature isn't that kind) the next Spanish Flu pandemic-level infection finds its way here. If trained medical personnel who have seen the effects of Ebola firsthand are still mindlessly sloppy enough to jump onto every major form of public transportation without a thought for the potential impact, what happens when it's an airborne virus? What happens when it is highly transmittable and we have the same kind of Darwin Award-quality decisions being made by people? There won't be the same relatively generous amount of time allotted for a learning curve then.

Personally, given the C-/D+ we've earned in the handling of this one, I'm guessing our grade next time will be an F, as is Royally Fucked.
 
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LostLassie said:
Oh, excuse me all to hell...stupidity is not gender-specific.
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really just making a word play joke there. wasn't even meaning to go there with the man vs woman thing. i kind of assumed that the effeminate meant girly man more than woman.

agree, no gender or group of people have a monopoly on stupidity.

grouping in general is horrible and not respectful of individual rights, which trump all.


still think that men are better leaders than women in general and much better than girly men in particular, which was my original point.
 
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