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(Duplicate) Defensive Coordinator Luke Fickell (official thread)

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The thing I think I hate most is, that some of the young offensive maybe fired after this season if we bring in a new coach. I would hate to see guys like Coach Sis, Coach Drayton, and Coach Peterson go.

Don't even get me started on the younger defensive assistants. The whole lot of them are studs.
 
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TresselstillownsTSUN;1994836; said:
The thing I think I hate most is, that some of the young offensive maybe fired after this season if we bring in a new coach. I would hate to see guys like Coach Sis, Coach Drayton, and Coach Peterson go.

Don't even get me started on the younger defensive assistants. The whole lot of them are studs.
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This gets me thinking if we hire Urban he might keep some since his old staff is all over the place now
 
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There have been rumors for a while now that the OSU brass and Urban Meyer's people have been "flirting" for a while now, you'd have to think this sort of dissatisfaction with Luke only gives Urban more bargaining power...

I just come back to the "Men of Action" label Coach Fickell gave the program. I was excited about that term. I haven't seen it in the offense. Last night was a classic Tressel ball game in that we felt out the opponent and then we leaned on the defense. The only difference was Tressel capitalized on Turnovers and good field position. Luke Fickel has got to mix things up if he wants to stay at Ohio State. They'll want his head if he goes 8-4.
 
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I think Drayton would be the only hold over... Bollman, possible Doc are gonna retire more than likely.... Peterson, never done much for me, Sis... not sure about him... but I think he's gone, I'd like to see a more experienced guy in there... I think we got hurt a while ago when Daniels got sick and moved in to the athletic dept....

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Heacock is prolly gone due to retirement. Other than that we've got studs everywhere, so I really hope even if Fickell doesn't stick, whoever it is, doesn't touch the Def side of the ball... like TresselStilowns said ... "the whole lot of them are studs"
 
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OhioState001;1994838; said:
This gets me thinking if we hire Urban he might keep some since his old staff is all over the place now
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There is almost zero chance. Meyer may keep Drayton, but he will bring in his guys.

There have been rumors for a while now that the OSU brass and Urban Meyer's people have been "flirting" for a while now, you'd have to think this sort of dissatisfaction with Luke only gives Urban more bargaining power...
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Up until yesterday this was quite the opposite. Meyer may want OSU more then OSU wants him at this point. OSU is concerned about his health there is little doubt about that.
 
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Basebuck;1994849; said:
I agree that the defensive assistants are good but what is everyone else seeing on offense? At what point has there been any exceptional development from anyone of offense?
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People just don't get the job Coach Sis did with TP......

Stan Drayton is a great recruiter, and the jury is out on how well he develops WR's. But it's hard to judge anything right now with the play calling, and QB handcuffing everyone.
 
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TresselstillownsTSUN;1994854; said:
People just don't get the job Coach Sis did with TP......

Stan Drayton is a great recruiter, and the jury is out on how well he develops WR's. But it's hard to judge anything right now with the play calling, and QB handcuffing everyone.
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Did he? How do you explain there not being a viable backup on the team?
 
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TresselstillownsTSUN;1994854; said:
People just don't get the job Coach Sis did with TP......

Stan Drayton is a great recruiter, and the jury is out on how well he develops WR's. But it's hard to judge anything right now with the play calling, and QB handcuffing everyone.
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Isn't Drayton a RB coach based on his history? If Doc retires... he slides into the RBs coach and we find a new WR coach... I wish Hazel would come back...


Odd thought here. Fickell doesn't get the job....does Hazel have a legit shot even though he'll have been a HC for only a year.... Hazel comes in, Fickell replaced Heacock as Co-DC & DL coach....
 
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DaveyBoy;1994585; said:
1. this team is more talented than the 2004 team...by far...except at QB
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You think this team is far more talented than the '04 team? I'm not so sure about that. Consider some of the players that were on that roster (and not all of these guys were starters at the time, though many were, but like a lot of the guys who are being thrust into prominence due to circumstances on the current squad, they were raw and inexperienced). At LB, AJ Hawk and Bobby Carpenter. At WR, Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, and Roy Hall. At RB/FB, Antonio Pittman and Branden Joe. At DL, Mike Kudla, Quinn Pitcock, Simon Fraser, and Vernon Gholston. At OL, Nick Mangold, Rob Sims, Kirk Barton, TJ Downing, and Doug Datish. At DB, Justin Fox, Ashton Youboty, Tyler Everett, and Nate Salley. Having Mike Nugent as kicker certainly didn't hurt. That's an incomplete list, but it's a talented list, of players who were (or would become) good-to-exceptional. And yet, the team at that time was mediocre at best, winning some ugly games early, and getting absolutely throttled by a merely decent Iowa team, in what was a far more thorough beat-down than what we saw last night.

Talented but inexperienced teams can go from barely mediocre to highly dangerous over the course of a season. The 2004 team did it. The 2011 team has similar talent, similar (in)experience, and similar early difficulties at quarterback. The return of Herron, Adams, and Posey will obviously help. But the team has to get the quarterback situation sorted out (or perhaps, more accurately, Miller has to develop a comfort level where he can use his abilities without making rookie mistakes, as Troy Smith had to do in '04). But I think there's a good chance it will click at some point this year, and this team will go from being barely mediocre, to being very dangerous. Just as the '04 team did, with a very similar talent/experience profile.
 
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A couple more thoughts on Coach Fickel:

1. In coaching you are only as good as your last game. If he goes 12-1 this year, wins the B1G, and wins Rose Bowl everyone will (again) love him. Well 12-1 is still possible.

2. There is no denying that he was a great assistant coach.

3. He is considered a "player's coach". It was reported that all the players really like him. Just liking a coach is not necessarily the same thing as respecting him.

4. The same gualities that make a great assistant coach don't always make a great head coach. On some staff's they play "good coach"/"bad coach"; effectively. The head coach rips the players (bad coach) and the assistant coach builds them up again (good coach). We've seen a lot of coaches ranting and raving on the sidelines (i.e. including Woody). That technique has worked for a lot of head coaches.

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Slightly different demeanor. It's nice to see Joe had such a good time out there.

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5. Quarterbacks who are having a bad day shouldn't be laughing on the sidelines. Just sayin'....maybe Coach Fickel needs to be more of a "in your face" type of coach.

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ScriptOhio;1994916; said:
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Without trying to state the obvious, coaches earn their keep making adjustments. Usually we think of this in-game and at the half. This week, and next Saturday in particular, we'll find out what kind of adjustments this coach and staff can and are willing to make. There's no doubt in my mind that the conversations this week between the staff and some of the players will be difficult. We'll all just have to wait and see.

I know what changes I'd make... and there's a lot of people here who have stated changes along those lines. In the end, none of us are on the staff and can hardly begin to imagine what those changes are going to take to pull off... that is, besides a big set of balls. None of this is fun for anyone, and that's a point that we shouldn't forget.

... but at the same time, they're all paid to have a big set of balls in these situations.

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Up until yesterday this was quite the opposite. Meyer may want OSU more then OSU wants him at this point. OSU is concerned about his health there is little doubt about that.
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Then you're aware that there HAVE been talks going on. Up until yesterday, OSU had bargaining power. Tables have turned it seems.
 
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Is there any chance that with a Meyer hire that Fickell takes over as DC for Heacoeck retiring and keeps the d staff mostly intact? Then Urban holds onto Drayton and brings in his OC and other assistants. Would be an option to keep the D where it has been. And to be honest Urban was drooling all over BM during the Akron game. You could hear his offensive wheels turning.
 
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UM will want "his" guys, should we go that way. That's just what big time coaches do. But, back to our current situation.
Posey and Herron,Adams coming back could help the QB situation greatly.
One big time receiver to balance the defense coverage out will free things up for Stoney and the young guys.
We just need to survive to that point..............
 
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