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DT Luke Fickell (HC Wisconsin Badgers)

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Perhaps we didn't see the recruiting drop off from JT as it was a storm brewing on the horizon, but he was out of the picture before it could affect his tenure.

Maybe the players recruited for the old system haven't developed to be able to work entirely with the different coaches and schemes they are now under.

Whatever it is, I think we're all in agreement that there are a few square pegs trying to fit into rounded holes.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
The bend but don't break attitude of Fick will be something that will always be hard for me to live with. I guess the argument can be made that he is forced into that approach based on the current roster but I tend to think that's a philosphy you adhere to or you don't. Agree with the thoughts on one DC instead of the shared Co-DC crap. Hard to have an identity that way.
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You'd rather he hold teams to under 200 yards than to hold teams to under 10 points?
 
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Coqui said:
You'd rather he hold teams to under 200 yards than to hold teams to under 10 points?
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Dangerous to assign values to yardage/points based on the type of defensive scheme. I think he was bringing up the issue when bend but don't break does in fact break.

Bend but don't break requires the opposing offense to run more, less explosive plays by keeping the ball in front of it, thus increasing the probability of a turnover, punt, or turnover on downs. An aggressive defensive puts the onus on itself to get the ball back. Most OSU fans believe that the aggressive defense has to work, because the other doesn't. You or some coach would have to chart each defense against various offensive sets and situations. I don't think the general public has seen enough of the aggressive defense to be able to do that. It's similar to the belief that the backup is always better than the starter.

I'd take a defense that minimizes yardage and points, but that's just me.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
Fickel & Withers develop the gameplan.. its not like Withers comes up with the game plan and Luke calls it... it was the same way with Heacock & Fickel, Heacock called it, He & Fickel drew up the gameplan.
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You gotta figure the dynamics are different though. Fickell would have been Heacock's understudy / protege. Even now, that's been the case with Heacock in an advisory role for him and Vrabel.
The current system seems more like 2 equals... and it's very confusing to me. It's easy to heap blame on Fickell because, other than Vrabel, he's the only defensive coach putting his face out there and giving us some kind of feedback... and he's not very charismatic about it.
But at the end of the day, he's not there for charisma and none of us have a clue how the system is supposed to work.
 
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kujirakira said:
But at the end of the day, he's not there for charisma and none of us have a clue how the system is supposed to work.
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However, it's very obvious that the system is not working for some reason and that's the point of the discussion, is it the players not being right for the system or is it the system isn't putting the players in the position to succeed?
 
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OhioState001 said:
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Have spoken w a number of coaches this AM re: Bowling Green opening. Word is Urban is supporting Luke Fickell.


DJ Durkin also a candidate.
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If Fickell ends up as HC at BGSU, my father will lose his mind. He is a big BGSU fan (he, my mom, and both sisters went there) as well as a Buckeye fan, and all he has done this year is bitch about Luke and the Buckeyes' defense. :lol:
 
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OhioState001 said:
FootballScoop Staff ‏@footballscoop 14m
Have spoken w a number of coaches this AM re: Bowling Green opening. Word is Urban is supporting Luke Fickell.


DJ Durkin also a candidate.
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Not sure what to make of this... is he supporting him because he believes he should get it and needs the experience.. or is he supporting him because he doesn't want to have to let him go
 
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Mike80 said:
However, it's very obvious that the system is not working for some reason and that's the point of the discussion, is it the players not being right for the system or is it the system isn't putting the players in the position to succeed?
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I personally think it is the later, but also I was talking to a buddy here in MI and he reminded me of how much he liked Dorian Bell. I believe the attrition has hurt tOSU a lot through the years. There are a lot of 5*/4* players who have left the team who would have been significant contributors

Dorian Bell
Jamel Turner
Melvin Fellows
Johnathan Newsome
David Durham
Dominic Clarke
Adam Belamy
Chad Hagan
Scott McVey
Se'Von Pittman
 
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MSURacerDT55 said:
I personally think it is the later, but also I was talking to a buddy here in MI and he reminded me of how much he liked Dorian Bell. I believe the attrition has hurt tOSU a lot through the years. There are a lot of 5*/4* players who have left the team who would have been significant contributors on this team

Dorian Bell
Jamel Turner
Melvin Fellows
Johnathan Newsome
David Durham
Dominic Clarke
Adam Belamy
Chad Hagan
Scott McVey
Se'Von Pittman
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Oh8ch said:
I want to buy into this. But I keep going back to six frosh DBs in the incoming class. Five of them rated in the top 20 at their position. And yet 15 weeks and 12 games into the season not one of them is ready to take the field on D. I can't believe none of these pups can hunt. And if anything our secondary play is worse than at the start of the season. That has something to do with coaching.
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Here's another way to look at it. Going into 2012... we didn't know if the Offensive line could block You, Me, and the Nacho Biznitch, never mind, Miami (Fredo) or UCF - OR anyone actually competent. Yet, we hear the words "Best Offensive Line in the Nation" (Fairly or not) with approximately the same group of guys the last 2 years. Meanwhile, a relatively OK unit (or 2, if DB's are broken up into S's, and CB's, or 3 if you want to include LB's in coverage) and save for a brief period of semi competence toward the end of last year (which might have been a mirage). Mostly the personnel is the same (or at least guys who've been around). LB is thin, no one is disputing that, but Shazier did and continues to play pretty well. And A couple of the others aren't terrible. The DL lost a PILE of talent, reloaded and continues to play well and mostly stop the run.

So, that leaves you with a number of Deltas. In the interest in not bashing, I'll start with a couple... Changes in Bold:

Same OL plus Ed Warriner = _____
New DL plus Mike Vrabel = _____
Mostly same CB's plus Kerry Coombs = _____
Mostly Veteran Safeties plus Ev Withers = _____

Rate Fickell and the LB's how you want, I think it could go either way. And there's no need to get into the rest of the Offensive coaches, its a different discussion but, the point with Warriner is that in that particular case, night became day.
 
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