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Does race matter to NFL GM's????

buckeyemania11;1694175; said:
I cant even remember the last white true running back in the NFL

Travis Jervey maybe?

Brock Forsey? :lol:

did Luke Staley ever get any play?

Alstott was more a FB and Peyton Hillis is a tweener

Craig James, John Riggins, Larry Czonka????? Each played a long time ago.....
 
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Cowherd was saying that he is getting a lot of emails from listeners about the percieved level of racism in the steelers organization (thus by association the NFL). According to him, his listeners are upset that they cut Santanio loose but have kept Big Ben around. In their opinion, it is only because B^2 is white. Cowherd said that in his experience the people crying racism have more race issues than those who aren't. Along the lines of Jake's post, I guess I would tend to agree with him.

Let's say for instance...

Gerhardt gets drafted in 2nd round and rushes for 1100 yds this year.
Next year, another white running back gets drafted in the 2nd round and rushes for 1100 yds.
If there is a third white running back on the board in 2012, do you think they will let him drop to the 2nd round? My guess is no way.


Things like this exist for a reason, until they don't. If that is too simplistic for you, sorry.
 
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fourteenandoh;1694204; said:
Cowherd was saying that he is getting a lot of emails from listeners about the percieved level of racism in the steelers organization (thus by association the NFL). According to him, his listeners are upset that they cut Santanio loose but have kept Big Ben around. In their opinion, it is only because B^2 is white. Cowherd said that in his experience the people crying racism have more race issues than those who aren't.


There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's race and the Dutch.
 
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scooter1369;1694210; said:
I remember an article from a couple of years ago about a white kid who broke nearly every high school rushing record in Illinois, but didn't receive one single Division 1 scholarship offer.

I can't imagine that every D-1 school was racist against this one kid. I'm positive there was a reason he didn't receive an offer and I don't even know the situation.
 
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3074326;1694219; said:
I can't imagine that every D-1 school was racist against this one kid. I'm positive there was a reason he didn't receive an offer and I don't even know the situation.

Here is an excerpt from one of the cases out of Chicago in the last 10 or so years, where a kid never even got a chance because the first thing the recruiter asked was his color.

Some gray in black-white issue
Chicago Sun-Times, Mar 5, 2006
by Taylor Bell

Several weeks ago, a college recruiter called Aurora Christian coach Don Beebe to inquire about running back Matt Russell.

"Is he black or white?" the recruiter asked.

Russell is white. He is a 5-10, 184-pounder with 4.59-second speed in the 40-yard dash who has virtually no chance of scooting around a sizable barrier that saw only one white tailback starting in Division I and none in the NFL during the 2005 season.

"I know how it feels," said Beebe, a 1983 Kaneland graduate, who played in the NFL for nine seasons. "I was a white kid from a small school, and I had to prove I could play with the big boys. I was a wide receiver who had to take a long route to the NFL. I had to prove myself.

"We live in a society where black athletes definitely are going to get the better look. I tell scouts: `Look at the numbers. Look at the 10- or 40-yard dash. Look at agility, vision in the open field. Look at the tape. Evaluate a kid not by the color of his skin but by his talent.' That's what I said about Russell. What does color matter?"

Russell is expected to sign with Grand Valley State in Allendale, Mich., the top-rated Division II program in the nation, in the next few days. It was the only school to offer him a full scholarship.

and another

Questions continue to lurk under surface of recruiting
Chicago Sun-Times, Dec 17, 1999 by Taylor Bell

I'm not saying the only reason the two best running backs in the Chicago area aren't being recruited by major colleges is because they are white.
But you'd have a hard time convincing anyone who saw the Class 6A championship game that Naperville Central's Ryan Clifford hasn't got the moves, quickness and toughness to play in Division I.
Until Clifford took off like a rocket, scoring a state-record 51 touchdowns, most observers targeted Hinsdale Central's Mike Mangan as the leading ball-carrier in the state.
Neither of them is drawing much interest from big-time recruiters. Both have been invited to visit Ball State. Maryland is considering Mangan. Illinois dropped Clifford from its shopping list, but Indiana made a last-minute call and invited him to visit this weekend.
Are they too slow, too small or too white? It is a taboo subject among college coaches. Even high school coaches don't want to talk about skin tones. It reminds of 20 to 25 years ago, when black quarterbacks were a controversial issue in college and professional football.
"Remember when no one wanted to recruit or sign a black quarterback?" recruiting analyst Tom Lemming said. "And if they did, he was shifted to cornerback or wide receiver. Now we have the same problem with extremely productive white running backs.
"The colleges won't talk about it, like black quarterbacks weren't talked about. But it still goes on. Recruiters claim white running backs aren't explosive enough or fast enough. But Clifford has what it takes. Recruiters say they love him but they can't get final approval."
Naperville Central coach Joe Bunge doesn't think it is a racial issue. The area's other top running backs, Schaumburg's Jason Hawkins and Barrington's Dan Pohlman, are white. Pohlman chose Northwestern over Illinois. Hawkins picked Northern Illinois. After rushing for nearly 3,000 yards, he could have switched to a Big Ten school but elected to honor his commitment to NIU.
"White isn't an issue. Those days are past," Bunge said. "I think Ryan can play in the Big Ten. Guys his size are playing in the NFL. (Georgia Tech quarterback) Joe Hamilton isn't big, but he was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy. There are many cases where kids with great heart are successful.
"I'm disappointed in the recruiting process. Here is a kid who has done things that no one else in state history has accomplished, but college coaches are reluctant to offer a scholarship. Are they saying that Ryan can't do something or play somewhere to make a team better?"
Hinsdale Central coach Ken Schreiner is baffled by lack of interest in Mangan. He understands the recruiting process is an inexact science, that schools have certain needs, that some athletes are priorities and some aren't.
"We're talking about two of the top backs in the state, including a kid (Clifford) who is the poster boy for high school football in Illinois this year," he said. "I would think there are colleges that would show more interest than none at all. Mangan brings as much or more to the table than others we have had who are succeeding in Division I. I know how hard kids work to put themselves in position to be considered for a scholarship. And I know hard work doesn't guarantee success. But you would think Clifford and Mangan would command more consideration on their merits."
 
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I'm sure there are examples in which schools passed on players based on color, but if the entire D1 division passed on a kid, it likely wasn't because of his color. All I'm saying.

There are certainly racist people out there, and there are certainly non-racists. I'd say in the competitive world of athletics, there have to be fewer racists than non-racists. You can't just ignore a race if you want to be as successful as possible.

If a white running back is all-world, he'll get a shot and he'll prove it. Even if he doesn't get a fair shake at first.

This is all just my opinion.. I suppose I could be wrong, but I just find it kind of ridiculous to think that GMs and whoever else make personnel decisions completely ignore a race at certain positions. Just seems counterproductive beyond belief.
 
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A few years back I got a call from one of my former runners. He'd made the CC team and was working out for track season when the coach called all the distance kids into the locker room and said, "I want all of you distance runners to clear out your lockers. I don't have any time to waste coaching a bunch of slow ass white kids."

This statement was confirmed to me by Andy Wolf, long time track and cc coach at Anderson HS. One of his former runners was in the same locker room and told him the same story.
 
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scooter1369;1694210; said:
I remember an article from a couple of years ago about a white kid who broke nearly every high school rushing record in Illinois, but didn't receive one single Division 1 scholarship offer.


Yeah but who cares? Now he is President of the United States.
 
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