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Disgusting ESPN/High School Story

jwinslow said:
Is it or is it not exploitation of those players to make them suffer under an incompetent coach
Have to disagree with this again. They still have their origanal coach plus Dick now, just because he hasn't coached before doesn't mean he isn't capable of, i'm pretty sure a majority of schools would glady allow him to try his hand into the coaching world if he was interested.

I think you will find another possible problem depending on how the state handles it. I'm expecting a bunch of real good talent to TRANSFER into the program. If i'm a good player i'm going to love that kind of exposure every coach in the world is going to see you easily.
 
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tibor75 said:
isn't it the school that is going to be gaining financially? I guarentee you that whether or not this show is on or not, affects ESPN's parent company's bottom line very little.

OK, so if the school forces the kids to do after-school janitorial work for free in place of the janitor, that's not not explotation of the kids because the school is saving money by not having to pay the janitor's wages? Also, all media (TV, radio, print, web, etc.) networks are in the business to make money...if ESPN didn't think they'd make advertising money on this show, they surely wouldn't be doing it. It had better affect ESPN's bottom line in a positive way, or some producer's head will roll.
 
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BuckWrestler141 said:
Have to disagree with this again. They still have their origanal coach plus Dick now, just because he hasn't coached before doesn't mean he isn't capable of, i'm pretty sure a majority of schools would glady allow him to try his hand into the coaching world if he was interested.

I think you will find anothe rpossible problem depenidg on how the state handles it. I'm expecting a bunch of real good talent to TRANSFER into the program. If i'm a good player i'm going to love that kind of exposure every coach in the world is going to see you easily.
I'd say that's fair... I guess I just see a ton of situations, and one of them is bound to happen (moreso the embarrassment, distraction and visibility issues)
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
OK, so if the school forces the kids to do after-school janitorial work for free in place of the janitor, that's not not explotation of the kids because the school is saving money by not having to pay the janitor's wages? .

I agree that there is some exploitation involved...but the guilty party is the school, not ESPN.

Isn't NCAA football exploitation too?
 
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ESPN is definitely wrong by doing this but I have come to expect nothing less from them so I am not surprised whatsoever. The school board on the other hand is absolutely shameful. Using the team to make money like that is pathetic. Sure it is possible that the publicity could benefit the team but I don't think that it is right for a high school team to get that kind of publicity and so many things could go wrong to humiliate them. Call me old fashioned but I just don't think it's right at all.
 
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Yes, it definitely is to an extent... worse b/c it pretends like it doesn't owe the players anything (not saying they should pay them but that's one of the biggest exploitations).

I think the school is the first person you smack around, and ask why they did something so stupid. But their stupidity was accepting a show invented by ESPN to exploit kids. I don't really see ESPN being any less evil from your arguments, just that the ethics of the schoolboard should have stopped their horrendous idea.
 
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tibor75 said:
I agree that there is some exploitation involved...but the guilty party is the school, not ESPN.

Isn't NCAA football exploitation too?
not when you consider the fact that NCAA football players receive anywhere between $50,000 and $200,000 worth of free education, not to mention room and board, meal plans, and books, as well as the best tutors possible; the Younkin Success Center is not there for the average student, it's for the Student Athletes... should the football players be compensated more? possibly, but they certainly aren't being exploited, especially when you consider that the kids WANT to play football...

tibor75 said:
Why are people ignorantly criticizing ESPN? They are a company interested in making money. The school is the one to blame 100%.

" screwing with the lives of a bunch of kids in the name of entertainment is exploitative at best..."

comments like these are laughable. Explain how ESPN is exploiting anyone.
because the kids are not making the descision to be in a fucking reality show. the money grubbers at ESPN, and the money grubbers at the school are making the descision that the kids are going to be in a reality show... do you not see the difference? the kids play football because they love to play football, not to have some dumbass shove a camera in their face after they just lost their homecoming game, or the game against their biggest rival...

the experiences, the glories of victory, and the dispair of defeat are being cheapened in the name of the Allmighty Dollar...

so the kids are left with a shitty descision: either sign up for the Bullshit that is EVERY reality show, or don't play the sport they love to play... don't give me that transfer crap, either... transferring to a different school is simply not an option for the majority of the students...

i refuse to willingly watch one minute of this show.

leave the fucking kids alone!
 
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I think the school thought about t.v. exposure and nothing else when agreeing to this program. At sometime after they signed the contract I'm sure there was plenty of second-guessing. Hell when I was in high school we'd all rush over to one guys house after the game and watch for us to be on the news that night. If we happened to get chosen the game of the week well that just made everything better. Of course these kids want to be on t.v. its a natural feeling for most people, the harsh realization that the community is going to have to face later isn't beginning to set in yet. If this was an ABC special or one of the networks they could possibly be getting decent exposure. Unfortunately its espn which has a reputation for stretching truth and misrepresenting people and places in their programs, i.e. (3, Junction Boys, and any sportscenter piece).
 
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I am on the staff at a HS in the Dayton area, and I don't really like this because of

a-the Butkus angle. A first year coach does not need a B-list celebrity guest coaching his team. He needs to put his stamp on the program.

b-the question of how much access ESPN will have at practices, team meetings, and such. If you have a bunch of HS coaches out there screaming at kids after they screw up in practice, you just might see a few moments that are, shall we say, "un-PC/not-suitable for television". Not abusive, not a pattern of anything wrong, but a moment that, caught on camera, out of context, could be blown up into something ugly by the media who do not coach football from August thru November. I could see a coach getting crucified mercilessly in the media for saying something in practice that happens thousands of times a year at HS, college, and pro practices.
 
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Tibor is right

ESPN is Satan, but you don't blame Satan, you blame those who make a deal with Satan.

If this program lost a bunch of school levys, I could understand, but I read earlier they are not hurting for $$$. So, I ask, what is the benefit to the kids in this situation? Isn't that the only concern here?

Maybe it is to show them that ESPN (and the media as a whole) is a phony as a $3 bill.

God, "reality" HS football? About as real as filming people eating bugs for money. What a crock. Butkis was a great one, too. Now he is a turd with feet.
 
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For new equipment, new score board, money, money, and money... why not give it a shot... as long as the kids aren't belittled on national TV, I don't see much harm... heck some of the kids are prob. excited to meet Butkus, and be on tv...

With so many schools charging kids to play due to budget cuts... this will at a min. help provide for the kids for years to come...

Last I checked folks weren't in an uproar over massillon’s movie of one of their seasons.... I think the problem is the fact we all despise ESPiN...
 
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Butkus An Assistant Coach In High School

NEW YORK (AP) -- Dick Butkus is back screaming on a football field.
The Montour Spartans in suburban Pittsburgh have fallen on tough times, going 2-16 the last two seasons. Enter Butkus, the coach this fall, who will attempt to instill confidence and a new work ethic.

The Hall of Fame linebacker's tough love approach to the high school team is captured in the ESPN reality series Bound for Glory, which debuts Tuesday night.

"My thing is trying to convince them they can win," Butkus said. "Anything that happens that's good, they think, 'Oh, it's an accident, when is the roof caving in?' You've got to get them out of that mental framework."

ESPN cameras are rolling in school halls, at Friday night games and at after-school hangouts, capturing the travails of a ragtag team at a school that won district championships in the 1970s and 80s. The Spartans have had losing seasons the past eight years, going 22-56 since 1996.

Ray Crockett, a former 14-year NFL veteran and two-time Super Bowl champ with Denver, joins Butkus on the sideline as an assistant coach. He's working with the secondary, while Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger makes a one-time appearance during the eight-week series.

The Spartans are 1-3 in a nine-game season, and television exposure has had some drawbacks.

"We're a big check mark on everybody's schedule," Butkus said. "I told them it's just another challenge, let's go after it."

Spartans head coach Lou Cerro and his staff are in charge, but Butkus focuses on fundamentals and positive mental imagery.

"He told us to look in the mirror every night and ask if we're giving 100 percent," Montour tackle Anthony Pastin said. "It's about everybody starting to believe in themselves. It's growing every day."

Butkus intimidated NFL offensive players during his nine-year career with the Chicago Bears. Known for his ferocious hits, the eight-time Pro Bowler retired in 1973 because of knee injuries.

Butkus, 62, entered the Hall of Fame in 1979, a decade before Pastin was born. He's appeared in movies and television shows, and the Spartans saw a highlight film of his many exploits on the field.

"His presence, his aura, everything about him has been great," Pastin said.
And when plays aren't executed at practice, Butkus shows his frustration like most coaches.

"Just by yelling at us," Pastin said, laughing.

Parents, for the most part, are behind the project that puts their children and community in the national spotlight.

"Winning is the ultimate goal, but Butkus is teaching discipline and hard work that the kids can use the rest of their lives," said Jim Pastin, Anthony's father. "What parent wouldn't want their kid to be tutored by a Hall of Famer?"

A few moms had second thoughts.

"Some parents were nervous about how they would portray everything," Butkus said. "At a picnic the moms put on for the team and coaches, I said that all the reality shows are turning around and showing good things, not bad things."
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