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[Gatorubet]

Nobody would get speeding tickets if it meant two weeks in jail--whether they were going 10 over or 25.

Fifth DUI cat disagrees...

 

[BB73]

Agreed. This player bashing retort is getting a bit stale. It's obviously wrong to flat out say that someone sucks, but it's equally as wrong to just bash anyone who questions decisions by a coach or player in a game. As long as people stay within the parameters on both ends I think it's a healthy discussion. Maybe we should start a vent thread. So, the people who are frustrated can go there and vent (not bashing anyone, obviously) and the people who don't like that kind of thing can simply not click on the thread. These guys (player/coaches) knew what they were getting in to by coming to Ohio State. Growing up in Columbus and being a Buckeye his whole life, Fickell should know this more than anyone on that staff. It's a huge stage, the microscope is equally as big. There are a lot of good head coaches that would get chewed up and spit out by the position he's in. Spare me the "Bauserman/Fickell are a victim of suspension....ect." Obviously that is a legit reason for a team to have struggles, but going back to being at Ohio State.......you had better be ready when your name is called, because if you are not there is someone out there that will be.

I'd love to put faith in things getting better, but I just don't see it right now. It seems like there has been regression for three consecutive weeks to start the season. That is a direct reflection of many variables that factor into the team. I get that there has been suspensions and Tress being gone, but at some point you've got to stop making excuses, take off your scarlet glasses, and come to realize that maybe some big changes need to be made.

I'd rather not have the separate threads for positive vs. negative opinions. That was done with the "I stand with JT" and the "not all in" threads during the spring barrage of negative attention to the program. It had mixed results - I think it kept some posters from getting into heated arguments, which may have been a good thing; but it also creates more work for the mods, deciding which posts belong where, and then moving them. As shocking as it may seem, not everybody reads and follows guidelines.

But the JT situation was unique, and this one really isn't. The program struggled in 2004, and there have been other bad games that brought out some bashing comments, and there will be more games like that in the future. Folks need to be able to express opinions of support and opinions questioning what's occurring in the same threads - it's inevitable that will occur anyway.

But those questioning the abilities of Buckeye players or the decisions of Buckeye coaches need to do so in a respectful manner, and remain within the guidelines of BP. When they don't, mods and admins will react accordingly.

 

[NateG]

I thought it was you that wrote the "Note to Fairweather...."

Looks like it was NateG....no wonder you didn't get the reference.

Mea culpa

nice to be noticed.... I guess

 

[Saw31]

...assist the moderation.

I would help, but I've never been much for moderation...

 

[BB73]

If we lack a competent D1A QB, we're [censored]ed. So I guess I don't really see the difference.

That being the case, though, I intend to go to the 'Shoe and cheer loudly for the Buckeyes on Saturday, regardless of who is at QB. I'd never boo a player. (But if Joe B is in there, I'll gnash my teeth and look forward to his holding a clipboard for the remaining series.)

There is definitely a difference between simply stating an opinion that a player doesn't have the skills necessary to play at the high level expected of a Buckeye, and posting things that are mocking that situation and basically equating that playing a certain guy will doom the team to failure.

Taking the high road by not booing at the stadium is commendable - making mocking posts on a message board is much closer to the other end of the continuum that runs from 'complete support' to 'Buckeye bashing'.

 

[southcampus]

This player bashing retort is getting a bit stale.

Not having to listen to the constant up and down emotional shit storms produced by every negative nancy in the fan base is one of the main qualities that makes BP what it is. I get the dissatisfaction with the state of the program and I can understand it just fine. I also know that people can express it without being a complete jerk to those in the program.

It's obviously wrong to flat out say that someone sucks, but it's equally as wrong to just bash anyone who questions decisions by a coach or player in a game.

I don't get bent out of shape for the questioning of coaches and players. I do that too. I get bent out of shape when it's done in a manner that's completely degrading. Saying that we're fucked if 'so-and-so' plays is degrading and beneath BP.

 

[y0yoyoin]

i havent read what i would consider straight up bashing of bauserman, at least not in this thread....if someone cannot be entitled to their own opinion on this board by saying that they feel Fickell is making a mistake by not playing braxton miller ahead of bauserman, then ban me from this board for good because whats the point of coming here? i think the mods do a great job of filtering out the bashing and then taking the appropriate action when necessary as they have stated previously in this thread

 

[NateG]

Saying that we're fucked if 'so-and-so' plays is degrading and beneath BP.

I don't support bashing kids but this seems like a bunch of word semantics. And getting upset for nothing.

If someone said. "I don't believe we win with JB at QB." is that bashing?

because it is the same thought as

"we are fucked if JB is at QB."

The "we are fucked" is the same as "I don't believe we win".

I feel the better choice is BM and not JB. Todd Boeckman showed true Buckeye spirit in the way he dealt with a similar situation. If that turns out to be the case here, I hope JB acts the same.

edit- and to be honest, I have seen alot worse on here than saying we are fucked...lol.... see my posted pic in the Colorado thread i.e.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Not really. Would you call the police if you saw someone urinating on the side of the highway?

We'll assume not. Now would you do it if you saw someone murdered on the side of the highway?

There's been plenty of urinating in some threads concerning playes, but no murders.

Here's an example of the difference between non-bashing and bashing:

Non-bashing: Quarterback A doesn't read defenses well, gets flustered easily, and doesn't haven't have consistent accuracy. He hampers the offense.

Bashing: Quarterback A sucks. He can't throw for shit. Bench his dumb ass.

 

[kn1f3party]

This is why I didn't want to get in to this.

Saying someone sucks as a quarterback and saying they are incompetent as a quarterback means the same thing to some, different to others.

Only most people agree that saying someone sucks is inappopriate.

Do I have an issue with someone saying "there is a lot that quarterback needs to work on. He has a slow release, does not make great reads, and does not check down properly?" Absolutely not, I think this is fair criticism. I would even be fine with "he hasn't improved by now, I'm not sure he will."

Follow the golden rule. If you overheard these same things being said about your child in the stands, would you have a reason to be justifiably upset? That is what I consider bashing. If I overheard a parent say "I would rather they play the other kid, he has a lot of potential and Jimmy has been having a hard time" it would not make me angry--at least not justifiably. If I overheard someone say "we're [censored]ed" when my kid went in, it would be offensive.

 

[kn1f3party]

There's been plenty of urinating in some threads concerning playes, but no murders.

Here's an example of the difference between non-bashing and bashing:

Non-bashing: Quarterback A doesn't read defenses well, gets flustered easily, and doesn't haven't have consistent accuracy. He hampers the offense.

Bashing: Quarterback A sucks. He can't throw for [Mark May]. Bench his dumb ass.

It is semantical. That isn't the type of criticism I'm talking about.

Non-bashing: Quarterback A doesn't read defenses well, gets flustered easily, and [doesn't have] consistent accuracy. He hampers the offense.

Grey: Thow in the towel, quarterback A is starting. He is an incompetent quarterback.

Bashing: Quarterback A sucks. He can't throw for shit. Bench his dumb ass.

 

[MaxBuck]

Well, it all becomes academic if Coach Fickell starts the right QB.

 

[GeorgiaBuck2]

So Baus is the starter this week?

 

[PlanetFrnd]

So Baus is the starter this week?

or...

 

[MaliBuckeye]

or...

Look, if OR fumbles one more snap, I won't care if he gets the death penalty.