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DE Mike Vrabel (All B1G, All American, Pro Bowl, All Pro, Super Bowl Champion)

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I don't think Orlovsky is necessarily wrong since he wouldn't commit to college or NFL. Either way, I think it's a safe bet Vrabel is a HC in Ohio next year. Either with the Cleveland Browns after they fire Stefanski (which I don't think Stefanski should be fired but they're going to make him a scapegoat) or OSU loses to TN on Saturday, and the pitchforks absolutely come out for Day.

I'd prefer OSU elevate Brian Hartline to HC but I could absolutely see Vrabel as an alternative option if the OSU brass doesn't have stomach/stones to promote Hartline to the head gig (which I think would be short-sighted and stupid but we'll see). If not Hartline, I could get behind Vrabel easily, assuming he's willing to evolve a little offensively....
 
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OK, help me out here. Hartline has held the title of OC or co-OC for three (?) years now? Has he even called a play? Get that he's in the meetings, learning, certainly, but always see him on the sideline working with WRs. I get that this is a way to keep him in the fold, and funnel him more money than a position coach, but really? He hasn't been an actual OC, let alone a HC fill-in yet. Am sure someone can point out what I'm missing. Maybe the young pup being HC, with a couple grizzled veterans at DC and OC to back him up?
 
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Not everyone aspires to be a HC for a variety of reasons... one of which, FAMILY
Just like I assume majority of pro HCs have zero interest in coaching college.. and recruiting... again FAMILY
You only have a window to have time with growing up kids... you don't get it back... It's a one-time offer/opportunity

Money works... call me anything, fine.. but pay me
 
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calibuck said:
OK, help me out here. Hartline has held the title of OC or co-OC for three (?) years now? Has he even called a play? Get that he's in the meetings, learning, certainly, but always see him on the sideline working with WRs. I get that this is a way to keep him in the fold, and funnel him more money than a position coach, but really? He hasn't been an actual OC, let alone a HC fill-in yet. Am sure someone can point out what I'm missing. Maybe the young pup being HC, with a couple grizzled veterans at DC and OC to back him up?
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I think the point @billmac91 was making is that the job description of HC doesn't have to be Chief Play Caller.

Some guys can be effective as great leaders through their personality and charisma who can manage, motivate and push a staff of excellent do-ers/play callers and position coaches to new heights. It the dynamic leader archetype basically.

I have said that Day, Charlie Weis and many other coaches who make the jump from coordinator to HC are in danger at a place like OSU/ND etc. but there are examples of it working.

With the new reality of professionalism, I could get more behind the idea of a great coach of coaches surrounded by an elite staff than I used to think was possible. I do 100% believe that the HC has to be the best play caller thing is false. Look at one Ryan Day. took him 5 years to let go of the play calling duties and doesn't appear to be a great leader of an elite staff.
 
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calibuck said:
OK, help me out here. Hartline has held the title of OC or co-OC for three (?) years now? Has he even called a play? Get that he's in the meetings, learning, certainly, but always see him on the sideline working with WRs. I get that this is a way to keep him in the fold, and funnel him more money than a position coach, but really? He hasn't been an actual OC, let alone a HC fill-in yet. Am sure someone can point out what I'm missing. Maybe the young pup being HC, with a couple grizzled veterans at DC and OC to back him up?
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He called plays in the Spring game, and I don’t think he did a great job at it, IMO. I also don’t really care. He’s shown an elite ability as a WR coach and is a masterful recruiter. Even take away the elite WR coach ability, I could still make an argument for making him HC just based on his recruiting ability but I think it does show an element of competence that he can coach a room up.

I hate throwing the Dabo comparison out every time someone challenges “why Hartline”? Like or hate Dabo, dude went from used car salesman, to WR coach, to HC in a very short span based on his ability to recruit and sell the Clemson brand. He’s the first one to say he doesn’t get involved in the X’s and O’s but he likes to recruit the Jimmy’s and the Joes. Tell him who to close and let him go to work.

Now, Dabo has 100% lost his footing with his hard-ass stance on the transfer portal (even tho they did make the playoff this year) but guy was elite for a decade….I like the comparison though bc Clemson, while not as big of a brand as tOSU has a lot of similarities. Bowden wasn’t able to get Clemson over the hump in the ACC but he closed the gap with FSU. But they needed a change to make the next step and it was a giant leap of faith to place it in Dabo’s lap…..I was at FSU at the time and it was basically laughable that that is who they were turning the keys over to. But Dabo sold the AD on continuity and his ability to recruit.

I don’t think OSU is wholesale broken. I think the pieces are largely in place….our talent is elite, we have a solid NIL collective, the HorseShoe is sold out every game, and our brand is top notch. But Day isn’t the guy that should be leading this ship unfortunately…for whatever reason he hasn’t figured out “the game”(his teams seemingly take after his personality in the game, IMO, which is tight). But his teams also sleep-walk through the regular season which is why they start slow nearly every game. But that said, I think the staff is largely in place and wouldn’t need to have a massive overhaul (I think he’d replace Chip Kelly but keep the other position coaches and obviously replace himself with a new WR coach). But that was the key for Dabo, IMO. When he was elevated from WR coach to HC, he was able make a few tweaks to the staff but he largely took what he given, and made it better.

I think Hartline would take what OSU currently has, and make some small adjustments that would help the program take a massive step forward. He’d be able to close on every position on the field now that he’s HC and not just WR coach. He’s an Ohio kid so he understands the rivalry…hell, he was 4-0 as a player against them. While he hasn’t had the coordinator experience, it’s just a matter of time before another program offers him a HC position (it was almost WVU and others will come calling). Once he leaves, there’s no guarantee he comes back, IMO.

I wouldn’t mind Vrabel, but that comes with some risk too, IMO. Has stated publicly he doesn’t like to recruit. His style of play is rugged but bland…not sure how appetizing it is to elite playmakers at the college level. And Vrabel doesn’t have any current ties to this coaching staff….so you could be looking at a massive overhaul of the entire coaching staff (which I don’t think would be a good thing).

Anyways, we’ll have a lot more clarity after Saturday. As someone who has staunchly supported Day until the Oregon loss this year (that was personally my breaking point….I snapped when he told the sideline reporter he “just wants to get the game to the 4th quarter close, where they think they have the ability to then win”) I’ve completely lost my patience with him. I obviously hope he figures something out and they run the table and win the CFP, but this team is very flawed, especially offensively, and I just don’t see the path. If TN comes to the Shoe and beats us down though, I have a really hard time seeing Day survive this offseason. It will be someone new on the sideline next year, and my preference would 100% be Hartline. Don’t blow the whole thing up, just give the keys to someone who can be a better driver.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I think the point @billmac91 was making is that the job description of HC doesn't have to be Chief Play Caller.

Some guys can be effective as great leaders through their personality and charisma who can manage, motivate and push a staff of excellent do-ers/play callers and position coaches to new heights. It the dynamic leader archetype basically.

With the new reality of professionalism, I could get more behind the idea of a great coach of coaches surrounded by an elite staff than I used to think was possible. I do 100% believe that the HC has to be the best play caller thing is false. Look at one Ryan Day. took him 5 years to let go of the play calling duties and doesn't appear to be a great leader of an elite staff.
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Wasn’t one of Cooper’s mantras that he was the coach of the coaches? Recalling that for some reason after reading these parts. I think Dan Campbell epitomizes what you’re saying here.
 
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RuGettinIt said:
Wasn’t one of Cooper’s mantras that he was the coach of the coaches? Recalling that for some reason after reading these parts. I think Dan Campbell epitomizes what you’re saying here.
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Yes. Cooper fancied himself a coach of coaches.

I can call myself a fucking brain surgeon, doesn't mean you want me working on a loved one.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Yes. Cooper fancied himself a coach of coaches.

I can call myself a fucking brain surgeon, doesn't mean you want me working on a loved one.
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I’m a “Satisfier of Hollywood Starlets Sexual Fantasies”, and I have never failed in fulfilling any of those.






The fact that I have never had such a request is irrelevant.
 
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