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DE Mike Vrabel (All B1G, All American, All Pro, Super Bowl Champ, NFL HC of Year, HC New England Patriots)

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Steve19 said:
I'm willing to bet that many people on this board have either participated, or come damn close to participating, in many of the moral behaviors discussed. I think the problem arises when people put sports people on a pedestal and then expect them to act according to the moral compass that they think people on that pedestal should follow. I want to be clear...Vrabel's behavior suggests that he does not interpret the importance of several values in the same way as many people here do...and further that he is going down a path that will lead ultimately to some serious issues in his life. If this is true, it will probably affect his performance as a coach, at least for a period of time.

We know what wins in the end, almost all of the time.
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Let's be honest that many of these athletes and coaches go out of their way to publicly put themselves on that pedestal of morality from the organized prosletizing of other students to the incessant and deeply narcissistic barking about God helping them score touchdowns.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Let's be honest that many of these athletes and coaches go out of their way to publicly put themselves on that pedestal of morality from the organized prosletizing of other students to the incessant and deeply narcissistic barking about God helping them score touchdowns.
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Right?

Everyone knows god only has time to talk with Dabo and a few select others. He can't help everyone.
 
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I'll be... unfiltered.

I don't give a fuck about the cheating. At the same time, anyone on this board can spare us the sanctimonious "he who is without sin" nonsense and piss right off.

Being a cheater is low. Proud to say I may be abrasive, if not a bit of an asshole; but I'm neither dishonest nor a cheat.


That said, what bothers me the most about this situation is that these two were clearly caught. Instead of owning it and apologizing immediately, they lied, attempted to gaslight (I believe that's how this would be used) anyone with a pair of eyes and reason into believing what we saw wasn't reality.

THAT is an incredibly widespread problem in today's world. The inability to admit one's fault and own it without blaming others. Yet, somehow, it's a prevalent and effect tactic.

What is most tragic is that it makes any attempt at an apology hollow. It's coerced, rehearsed, and meaningless. You wished to carry on without consequence until the truth was so undeniable that generations yet born could even see it. To not pause at any point, self-reflect and admit wrong, all while accusing others of wrong doing, is near sociopathic.

Like I said, 75% of people are full of shit. All it takes is the correct topic to bring the stink out.
 
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Buckeneye said:
I'll be... unfiltered.

I don't give a fuck about the cheating. At the same time, anyone on this board can spare us the sanctimonious "he who is without sin" nonsense and piss right off.

Being a cheater is low. Proud to say I may be abrasive, if not a bit of an asshole; but I'm neither dishonest nor a cheat.


That said, what bothers me the most about this situation is that these two were clearly caught. Instead of owning it and apologizing immediately, they lied, attempted to gaslight (I believe that's how this would be used) anyone with a pair of eyes and reason into believing what what we saw wasn't reality.

THAT is an incredibly widespread problem in today's world. The inability to admit one's fault and own it without blaming others. Yet, somehow, it's a prevalent and effect tactic.

What is most tragic is that it makes any attempt at an apology hollow. It's coerced, rehearsed, and meaningless. You wished to carry on without consequence until the truth was so undeniable that generations yet born could even see it. To not pause at any point, self-reflect and admit wrong, all while accusing others of wrong doing, is near sociopathic.

Like I said, 75% of people are full of shit. All it takes is the correct topic to bring the stink out.
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What’s an incredibly widespread problem in today’s world is that this has become normalized and accepted behavior at the highest levels of society.
 
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