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DB Malcolm Jenkins (All B1G, All-American, Thorpe Award, All-Pro, 2x Super Bowl Champion)

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JohnLSU;1457299; said:
Well, that makes it sound more like Jenkins was a product of a great system, and is more likely to a be bust, right?

Generally, I'm very suspicious of players that come from juggernaut football programs like Ohio State, USC, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Texas, and Oklahoma. Those schools have all been in the Top 10 of recruiting each and ever year this decade and those schools have the best of the best when it comes to coaching staff, facilities, etc. So it is no surprise players from those elite programs do well in college... which is why they are higher risk as pro prospects than players that did well at colleges that weren't an elite Top 10 football program.
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Don't forget that Ohio State is the largest university in the USA, has a $2 Billion endowment, and is the flagship school of the state of Ohio (7th-largest state in the USA).

And don't forget that Ohio, home of the NFL, makes damn sure that their flagship school is the best football team in the country -- Ohio State is top 5 in all-time appearances in the final AP Top 25, Top 10, and Top 5... and Ohio State is Top 2 when it comes to appearances in the weekly AP Top 25, Top 10, and Top 5.
 
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JohnLSU;1457309; said:
Don't forget that Ohio State is the largest university in the USA, has a $2 Billion endowment, and is the flagship school of the state of Ohio (7th-largest state in the USA).

And don't forget that Ohio, home of the NFL, makes damn sure that their flagship school is the best football team in the country -- Ohio State is top 5 in all-time appearances in the final AP Top 25, Top 10, and Top 5... and Ohio State is Top 2 when it comes to appearances in the weekly AP Top 25, Top 10, and Top 5.
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Not how you meant it, but... GPA?
 
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JohnLSU;1457108; said:
Um, I'm the guy that posted the post you see quoted below. I thought I made it pretty clear that I'm not looking for people that just want to praise MJ or tear him down.
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yeah, I read the quote the 1st time.
then I read the following quote too.

JohnLSU;1456966; said:
I know he was good in college, he was GREAT in college, won all the awards. But I'm asking how he'd do in the pros. True shutdown corner in the NFL???? Does anybody think he can do that? I don't think so. I think he's a big physical CB that we took because can challenge some of the WRs we have to go against... but true shut down corner???? That's like saying he is he next Sanders or Asomugha. As for run support, I thought that was his strong suit. No?
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any particular reason you questioned that guy's opinion THAT YOU ASKED HIM TO GIVE YOU??
 
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Nutriaitch;1457317; said:
yeah, I read the quote the 1st time.
then I read the following quote too.

any particular reason you questioned that guy's opinion THAT YOU ASKED HIM TO GIVE YOU??
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Yeah, genius, easy explanation: saying that someone will be a "true shutdown corner in the NFL" is pretty freaking insane, and I'm not looking for insane opinions... I'm looking for realistic opinions. Pretty much all the other answers I have gotten in this thread have been great.
 
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JohnLSU;1457299; said:
Well, that makes it sound more like Jenkins was a product of a great system, and is more likely to a be bust, right?
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Absolutely not, especially at defensive back. Look at who the Buckeyes have in the NFL at DB. Antoine Winfield, Chris Gamble, Shawn Springs, Nate Clements and Donte Whitner. These are the best DBs that OSU has in the NFL currently, all of them starting and doing very well for themselves. They'd all start on any team.

Ashton Youboty, Will Allen, Mike Doss, Dustin Fox, Donnie Nickey, Nate Salley and Antonio Smith. In the second group here, only two could really be considered busts.. and even that is a stretch. Mike Doss was taken 58th overall (2nd round) and has been the biggest disappointment in the NFL so far. Youboty was probably the only other one selected who was expected to start at CB and he was taken 70th overall (3rd round). The others are solid contributors for the most part.

So, of the first round OSU DBs that are currently in the NFL.. no busts. DBs (especially corners) are supposed to cover people. It's hard to have a "system" DB, like it is QBs, WRs, RBs, etc.

Generally, I'm very suspicious of players that come from juggernaut football programs like Ohio State, USC, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Texas, and Oklahoma. Those schools have all been in the Top 10 of recruiting each and ever year this decade and those schools have the best of the best when it comes to coaching staff, facilities, etc. So it is no surprise players from those elite programs do well in college... which is why they are higher risk as pro prospects than players that did well at colleges that weren't an elite Top 10 football program.
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You think players from these programs are higher risks, despite being more talented? I don't get it. What's on the field is the player and what they've learned, facilities make them better athletes and coaches make them smarter athletes. The best athletes are the ones who put it all together. I know I'm not giving coaches enough credit here, but the point is basically the same.
 
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I guess it comes down to what your definition of an "NFL shut-down corner" is. All CBs get beat from time to time, even the best of the best. CB is a position kind of like an O-lineman, you generally only notice them if they do something really good, or really bad. If a whole game goes by and you didn't hear a CBs name, that means they had a good game. Off the top of my head, I'd say there are only 2-3 "true" shut-down corners in the NFL at any given time, meaning that the opposing QB is told not to even attempt a throw to that side of the field. Will MJ's rookie year resemble a Deion Sanders highlight reel? I highly doubt it. Will MJ be in the top half of NFL CBs after 2-3 years? If you were to give me reasonable odds, I'd put some money on it. If you want to hear that MJ is going to on the level of Sanders, Woodson, Reed, or whoever you consider a prototypical NFL CB, I'd say it remains to be seen, but the potential is there (mostly due to his smarts and work ethic). I'll put it this way, OSU has produced several CFB all-american, and NFL all-pro level CBs over a span of five decades under four different coaches, MJ would place in the top 5. In recent years, I'd put him just above Gamble and Youboty, and equal or just a hair behind Winfield and Springs. Any way you slice it, it's never a bad thing to have a CB of that caliber.

To me, the question of whether he can go step for step with the NFL's elite recievers is quite naive. There are not going to be many instances where he will be put on an island against a #1 WR. NFL Ds rarely leave a CB on a top WR without safety help over top. I think MJ can hold his own in the 10-25yd range, if he's asked to cover Randy Moss by himself every play, I'll have to question where the D-coordinator's head is. If MJ is to start right away, I think he has a good chance to make some big plays early. If a QB thinks that they can pick on the rookie, they'll be asking for trouble. As I said before, MJ lives in the film room, and has an uncanny talent for reading routes. It's been two entire seasons since opposing QBs felt good about throwing to MJ's side, I'm sure he'd welcome some more chances to snag an INT.
 
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Bruce Feldman: Friday Mailbag - ESPN

From Robbie in Tallahassee: Nice article on top ten players who have no shot at the Heisman. Eric Berry should have been awarded the Jim Thorpe Award last season. Malcolm Jenkins from Ohio State is a joke and it really showed on his pro day for the NFL. Comparing his stats to Eric Berry's is disrespectful because the competition in the SEC is stronger than the Big Ten. I am already campaigning. Vote Eric Berry '09 Heisman.

Feldman: I agree that Berry is a special player. I don't think there was a better defender in college football all season. He does everything well on the field. However, it really hurt him for the Thorpe that his team did not have a winning record. And really that wasn't the fault of the Vols defense. UT was good on D, but just horrible on offense. I'll have a lot more on Berry in an upcoming issue of ESPN The Magazine.
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Thanks for sticking up for Malcolm, Bruce. :roll1:
 
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JohnLSU;1457322; said:
Yeah, genius, easy explanation: saying that someone will be a "true shutdown corner in the NFL" is pretty freaking insane, and I'm not looking for insane opinions...
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telling the guy he's wrong (and putting MJ down in the process) probably isn't the best way to endear yourself to the locals.
 
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this is an honest question, that maybe someone who studies the Big 12 can answer.....

How many CB's did Colt McCoy stay away from the entire game over the season? They attemptd 1 pass towards Malcolm Jenkins, on a drag route underneath the entire game.

They flat out avoided him.

That says something to me. I'm guessing Mack Brown and Colt McCoy thought highly of Malcolm's game-tape. Over his 3.5 years of being on the field, I just can't think of many times he was flat beat. The memories of guys getting behind him usually came from zone defenses where he thought he had safety help over the top, or had to turn on the jets to break-up a play behind him.

I think he will be an All-Pro by his second year at CB.....He's going to impress a lot of people with his tackling ability. It will be fun to actually see some QB's throwing at him....it was so rare for opposing teams to even attempt a pass towards him. I think he will prove to be a great pick....
 
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