Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[ScriptOhio]

 

[sparcboxbuck]

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I used the McLovin ID as a Zoom background for a meeting a few weeks ago. Good stuff.

 

[Taosman]

Arguments about US Death Rates are just a straw-man argument as we know Florida among some other states have been "cooking the books" on Covid data. Some here are just "muddying the waters" of Covid data. We can't get any accurate Covid data from the Federal government because it has" bad metrics" for those in power. Only the states themselves have some idea of what their true data is and they aren't talking.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/healt...onavirus-death-data-the-state-made-them-stop/

What is of note is how much the federal governments Covid death estimates keep going up.

 

[BB73]

Uh, the charts I post are for COVID deaths only...they're taken from the Worldometers Coronavirus pages. I have no idea where in the fuck you're getting deaths other than those for COVID...check the thread title.

Mili, I believe he was actually trying to point out a way to support your belief about COVID deaths in countries like Spain.

In the early days of the virus in Wuhan, folks suspected that the reports of COVID deaths were vastly under-reported. This was basically proved by people showing that the area had an increase in total deaths of around 40,000 (IIRC). They knew this, among other reasons, because the area had acquired that many more urns in early 2020 as compared to early 2019.

Doing a similar check on overall deaths in Spain, if one of you can find total death numbers for Spain in say May/June 2019 vs May/June 2020, could show if something similar has been occurring there.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Arguments about US Death Rates are just a straw-man argument as we know Florida among some other states have been "cooking the books" on Covid data. Some here are just "muddying the waters" of Covid data. We can't get any accurate Covid data from the Federal government because it has bad metrics for those in power.
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I'm surprised your WIFI reaches under your bed and through the tin foil.

 

[Taosman]

I'm surprised your WIFI reaches under your bed and through the tin foil.

When anyone starts calling people names it means they have run out of answers.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

When anyone starts calling people names it means they have run out of answers.

What name did I call you?

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[jwinslow]

Well written and covers just about everything. I'm guilty of paragraph two. As you know I've been graphing the death rates for over two months now. I'm not much concerned about any surge/spike in cases (yet) until I see a proportional surge/spike in the death death, which I don't yhink will happen...if there is a related increase in the death rate, we likely won't start seeing it until a week or after the start of the surge in cases.

You mention that "graphs can be found that show that the EU, which was hit a week or two before the USA, now has much lower new cases and death rates." I think there are two reasons for the disparity:
1) The US reports any death of a person who had COVID at the time of death as a COVID death, regardless if COVID was the main cause or even just a contributing factor. A person in hospice care who dies with COVID in his/her system "died of COVID" per the government. A car crash victim who is positive for COVID is treated as a COVID death. I'm not aware of any other country that does this.
2) EU countries have a suspiciously-low death rate. Germany has almost exactly a quarter of our population but had a grand total of nine deaths yesterday (Jun 25) while we had 649 (1.4% of our death tool). France, which has a population almost exactly 20% of ours, but had only 21 deaths on Jun 25 (3.2% of our death toll). Spain, with a popluation of almost 47,000,000 had grand total of three deaths yesterday. Are you fucking shitting me? And lastly, Italy, which was the initila hot bed in Europe, has a population of just over 60,000,000 and had 34 deaths yesterday. So, the four most-populous EU countries, which a combined population of over 256,000,000 (almost 78% of ours) had a grand total of 67 deaths (10.3% of ours). Conversely, brexited UK has a population of just over 21% of ours, yet had 149 deaths yesterday (23% of our death tool, and way over what Germany, France, Spain, and Italy combined had).

How does "people hide damning data" apply to this country? Particularly Florida? (which absolutely goes not adhere to #1)

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

How does "people hide damning data" apply to this country? Particularly Florida? (which absolutely goes not adhere to #1)

So many people try to trash the US's approach to COVID between comparing case and death rates with other countries, particularly those with significantly lower rates (EU in this instance), when it reality the EU may not be as successful as their suspicious reporting suggests. Not sure what your point about Florida is.

 

[Thump]

 

[Jagdaddy]

I’ll try one more time. Your hypothesis appears to be that the Euros are fudging the data because they’re reporting very few recent deaths. An alternative hypothesis is that through their public policy measures, they’ve actually come close to stopping it. A way to test both hypotheses is to look at how many total deaths they’re experiencing versus how many would be expected based on 2019 deaths month over month (to account for typical seasonal variance). I’m agnostic as to which hypothesis is correct (or closer to correct) and am too lazy to try to figure it out. I’m currently sitting on the deck of a friend’s mountain condo, soaking in a spectacular view, and getting close to having my first sit down dinner out with the wife, who I thoroughly rogered this morning, in several months, so I’m not sweating anything right now. If I still haven’t clearly communicated, just google excess deaths as a measure of COVID impact or something similar or ask @sparcboxbuck,who I’m sure gets the gist of what I’m talking about.

 

[Jagdaddy]

Mili, I believe he was actually trying to point out a way to support your belief about COVID deaths in countries like Spain.

In the early days of the virus in Wuhan, folks suspected that the reports of COVID deaths were vastly under-reported. This was basically proved by people showing that the area had an increase in total deaths of around 40,000 (IIRC). They knew this, among other reasons, because the area had acquired that many more urns in early 2020 as compared to early 2019.

Doing a similar check on overall deaths in Spain, if one of you can find total death numbers for Spain in say May/June 2019 vs May/June 2020, could show if something similar has been occurring there.

Thank you. I’m turning into vintage @Gatorubet with the WOTS, so I appreciate a more succinct synopsis.

 

[Taosman]

Just controlling the spread in senior living facilities (40%) would be a huge impact on death totals. But this is still a very dangerous bug and even the young will get hospitalized producing more deaths because of hospitals being overwhelmed. Florida , Arizona and perhaps a Texas city or 2 will have horrendous deaths till control is established. (most places never had control of the spread). . Will the states learn from this? Our only option right now is Social Distancing and wearing masks. That is horrible! We need a real breakthrough in treatment.(antibody recovering?) The vaccine won't be widely available till next year.