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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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From the Imperial college report. Bold is mine.



If this report is driving policy then, our leaders have decided to set us on a course they knew to require 18 months, or so, of suppression from the beginning.

18 fucking months
“Hope is not a strategy” but I have to think there is some better/more optimistic viewpoint than this one report that has limited inputs.

So many variables at play with population densities, climate, current/future human intervention (ie suppression, quarantine, natural immunity, and *fingers crossed* eventual vaccine).

I know these are smart people. I don’t doubt this is bad and will strain our systems. I just hope their long term model is wrong.

I can’t do 18 months of this shit.
 
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I can’t do 18 months of this shit.

No one can.

Their plan;?
We show that intermittent social distancing – triggered by trends in disease surveillance – may allow interventions to be relaxed temporarily in relative short time windows, but measures will need to be reintroduced if or when case numbers rebound. Last, while experience in China and now South Korea show that suppression is possible in the short term, it remains to be seen whether it is possible long-term, and whether the social and economic costs of the interventions adopted thus far can be reduced.
 
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And these projected mortality rates do not include an uptick in mortality for non-COVID-19 patients. Fatalities from pneumonia, strokes, heart attacks, etc will all go up too when hospitals are at 125% capacity.

By the way, if you have friends or relatives that suffer from anxiety, depression, or even just regular old OCD and have had their daily routines turned upside down, check in with them often and offer some support and encouragement.
 
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I hope all of you have properly prioritized your panic buying

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Quarantini. It's a martini you drink alone.
 
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The formula is legit. We can ask someone actually smart like @Dryden to validate. As for the percentage, 25% may even be low. The first few days at that rate there's essentially no daily increase but after a while the curve steepens.

The problem with using a growth calculator to predict infectious disease spread is that you're missing way too many variables:

1) People are creatures of habit and congregate in familiar places. If you're infected and your routine is just home-work-home, with the occasional stop at a fast food drive-thru window, grocery, gas station pump thrown in, the possibility of you, a single person, directly infecting others eventually tails off. This isn't like compounding interest on your dividend returns or a savings account.
2) People the index patient infects then go off into their own spheres of influence and infect new people, but with similar diminishing returns.
3) People cannot be infected again while they are already themselves infected carriers. See 1) You have to remove the compounding effect of infected carriers. If the index patient starts the infection in 2.6 people of different groups (the R-naught of COVID-19), there stands to reason those groups have overlap of common interest with the index patient where they cannot infect each other in increasing multiples because they're now all already carriers. Multiples in the same sphere cannot infect each other exponentially (E.g.; A church congregation cannot all produce an exponentially linear multiplicative infection rate when their interactions are largely with each other).
4) Rates of incubation and decay. Are previously infected and recovered carriers now immune? (We don't know. Early returns from Wuhan are this is persistent like the flu. Recovery does not convey lifelong immunity).
5) Remove the deceased from the numbers.

So, when calculating infectious disease spread, you have to consider three different equations (The SIR model) using Euler's Method.

http://mat.uab.cat/matmat/PDFv2013/v2013n03.pdf

In layman's terms, you have a multiplicative rate of growth from the index patient to 2.6 people. That doesn't happen daily; it may take 7-14 days. Then you have another compounding from those people that grows exponentially from there in waves. Doubling every six days. Then doubling every five days. Every three days. Then doubling daily, until it cannot double anymore (while still accounting for the fact that maybe 30% of the global population will never come in contact with the infected 70%).

The spread rate eventually goes vertical and 7 or 8% of the infected die because you can only save x number of people a day. (Italy)

This doesn't happen in a vacuum. "Flu season" is present right now. >50% of this nations' respirators are already occupied by people with pneumonia and emphysema complications induced by the flu.
 
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The problem with using a growth calculator to predict infectious disease spread is that you're missing way too many variables:

1) People are creatures of habit and congregate in familiar places. If you're infected and your routine is just home-work-home, with the occasional stop at a fast food drive-thru window, grocery, gas station pump thrown in, the possibility of you, a single person, directly infecting others eventually tails off. This isn't like compounding interest on your dividend returns or a savings account.
2) People the index patient infects then go off into their own spheres of influence and infect new people, but with similar diminishing returns.
3) People cannot be infected again while they are already themselves infected carriers. See 1) You have to remove the compounding effect of infected carriers. If the index patient starts the infection in 2.6 people of different groups (the R-naught of COVID-19), there stands to reason those groups have overlap of common interest with the index patient where they cannot infect each other in increasing multiples because they're now all already carriers. Multiples in the same sphere cannot infect each other exponentially (E.g.; A church congregation cannot all produce an exponentially linear multiplicative infection rate when their interactions are largely with each other).
4) Rates of incubation and decay. Are previously infected and recovered carriers now immune? (We don't know. Early returns from Wuhan are this is persistent like the flu. Recovery does not convey lifelong immunity).
5) Remove the deceased from the numbers.

So, when calculating infectious disease spread, you have to consider three different equations (The SIR model) using Euler's Method.

http://mat.uab.cat/matmat/PDFv2013/v2013n03.pdf

In layman's terms, you have a multiplicative rate of growth from the index patient to 2.6 people. That doesn't happen daily; it may take 7-14 days. Then you have another compounding from those people that grows exponentially from there in waves. Doubling every six days. Then doubling every five days. Every three days. Then doubling daily, until it cannot double anymore (while still accounting for the fact that maybe 30% of the global population will never come in contact with the infected 70%).

The spread rate eventually goes vertical and 7 or 8% of the infected die because you can only save x number of people a day. (Italy)

This doesn't happen in a vacuum. "Flu season" is present right now. >50% of this nations' respirators are already occupied by people with pneumonia and emphysema complications induced by the flu.
This is basically verbatim what I was just about to post.
 
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after reading the imperial report, i'm supremely confident that trump will lead us with maturity, strength, and honesty throughout the ordeal. no doubt whatsoever.

Game Show host in Chief or more socially aware types...those in power are using this to gain more power as we type. They will not be giving it back. I am as certain of that as I am certain of Trumps inability to rise to the moment.


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For fans of the Terminator series....:
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I feel a lot better about all the help on the way from big business and the government. Lawyers on the board help me out here with some of the fundamental rights we have as Americans that have been tossed aside;
  • Right to assemble is 1st Amendment? That's been marginally interrupted without a peep from the media.
  • Right to vote; ditto
  • Right to a speedy trial...get back to you after this passes but in the meantime we'll stop enforcing 10-15 low level laws to help with crowding in jails
  • Privacy, if we've had any since they started keeping us so safe after 9/11, appears to be gone.
Those really nice young men who run the tech and social media world are going to vet our news for us, which is nice.

The enlightened elite are ok with martial law and the nations mayors and governors are more than happy to give it to them.

To top it all off we see the report that they are using to justify all this clearly say all these measures are a gigantic "maybe". We're just pushing the inevitable spike in deaths and medical system swamping back into the fall/winter of '20 at the expense of the national economy and the fabric of our democracy.

Why would they all do that? If you, as the elected official, don't act and the spike hits you are going to get blamed and likely not re-elected. If you do act now, no matter how recklessly, you'll stand a better chance at re-election...hey at least you tried, right?
 
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