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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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heisman said:
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In this preliminary study of adult outpatients with symptomatic COVID-19, patients treated with fluvoxamine, compared with placebo, had a lower likelihood of clinical deterioration over 15 days. However, the study is limited by a small sample size and short follow-up duration, and determination of clinical efficacy would require larger randomized trials with more definitive outcome measures.
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Okay, the larger phase 3 fluvoxamine study recommended by the phase 2 researchers has been done, and the results are: ding, ding, ding: 33% less covid hospitalization. The data safety monitoring board stopped the trial, saying it would be unethical to keep handing out the placebo.

We can thank Bill Gates for taking the money you paid for windoze and recycling it into this research.

The problem is that one has to begin taking this medicine before day 8 when the covid can get severe. So most of the people who don't want to take the vaccine will probably not want to take this. But people who are sincerely waiting for the vaccines to stop being experimental might want to take fluvoxamine before day 8.

The vaccines are a much better wager for reducing death, but people who live where they can't get a vaccine may wish to avail themselves of this.

Inexpensive anti-depressant could be best COVID treatment yet, Canadian-led trial finds | National Post

One person they interviewed in the newspaper article linked above said he wanted more phase 3 trials. The whiners never stop. That's fine, except millions of people around the world died who could have been saved by this drug died while this research crawled forward.

Actually, if anyone has and extra $40K, I know of a phase3 fluvoxamine drug trial that you can fully fund. If anyone is now convinced by the Bill Gate's trial, then please, please, please, fund another phase 3 study.

Obviously, you need a prescription from your doctor for this. You will have to show them the study. if the doctor is primarily interested in saving lives, the doctor will prescribe. If they doctor is waiting for 18 more phase 3 studies so they can never be accused of writing off label prescriptions so no one can ever accuse them of acting with too few studies, then they will not write a script, saying they need 17 more studies, or need Mr. Fauci to bless it, etc.

The drug is 20 years old and is considered safe. Yeah, a very few people commit suicide after taking this drug, so if it were me, I would tell someone to keep an eye on me.

Someone asked how this drug works. Yeah, it somehow reduces the cytokine storm. No one knows exactly why, but soon, many people will claim they know.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Don't know how accurate this is, but I heard that once one of the vaccines has full fda approval, health insurers can start rejecting claims to cover COVID related expenses for the unvaccinated.
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The FDA has given the Pfizer vaccine full approval today. It will be interesting to see if health insurers move in that direction.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Don't know how accurate this is, but I heard that once one of the vaccines has full fda approval, health insurers can start rejecting claims to cover COVID related expenses for the unvaccinated.
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BB73 said:
The FDA has given the Pfizer vaccine full approval today. It will be interesting to see if health insurers move in that direction.
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A bit of a misunderstanding possibly. Private insurers were covering ALL Covid related expenses. They have stopped doing that recently. So, they still are required to cover the insured, but the insured will now bear the cost of co-pays, deductibles, max-out-of-pocket costs, etc.
 
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heisman said:
A bit of a misunderstanding possibly. Private insurers were covering ALL Covid related expenses. They have stopped doing that recently. So, they still are required to cover the insured, but the insured will now bear the cost of co-pays, deductibles, max-out-of-pocket costs, etc.
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Thanks. This article might answer some questions for those of us wondering about this topic. Highlights are that Life insurers can use vaccine status as a factor in pricing policies, but have to cover all Covid deaths; while the ACA (Obamacare bill) prevents Health insurers from doing the same.

Edit - see BigJim’s clarification below.

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Perhaps the full FDA approval will result in more companies and institutions putting vaccine requirements in place, since they may believe that puts them in a more defensible position.
 
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BB73 said:
Perhaps the full FDA approval will result in more companies and institutions putting vaccine requirements in place, since they may believe that puts them in a more defensible position.
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I fail to see how it will be considered differently than the standard vaccines required for school, etc. It’s certainly going to be interesting to watch unfold. We… er… you all can take the discussion regarding individuals’ rights relative to the common good of the group to a poli forum…
 
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sparcboxbuck said:
I fail to see how it will be considered differently than the standard vaccines required for school, etc. It’s certainly going to be interesting to watch unfold. We… er… you all can take the discussion regarding individuals’ rights relative to the common good of the group to a poli forum…
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That wasn’t a discussion about that topic, and I didn’t state an opinion about whether I thought it was a good thing or not, I just made an observation about what might happen.

I do realize people are touchy about this stuff, which is why I try to keep my opinions out of my posts. You’re right about such a discussion not belonging here.
 
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BB73 said:
Thanks. This article might answer some questions for those of us wondering about this topic. Highlights are that Life insurers can use vaccine status as a factor in pricing policies, but have to cover all Covid deaths; while the ACA (Obamacare bill) prevents Health insurers from doing the same.

marketwatch

Perhaps the full FDA approval will result in more companies and institutions putting vaccine requirements in place, since they may believe that puts them in a more defensible position.
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That article is talking about whether the ACA market (excludes most employer sold health insurance btw) can vary premium based on whether members have the vaccine. That’s a different situation than the original comment, whether insurers can reject claims for members that already paid their premium for coverage.
 
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BigJim said:
That article is talking about whether the ACA market (excludes most employer sold health insurance btw) can vary premium based on whether members have the vaccine. That’s a different situation than the original comment, whether insurers can reject claims for members that already paid their premium for coverage.
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Thanks for the clarification.
 
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