Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[MililaniBuckeye]

Good thing nobody uses you as an actual scale for who's smart and who isn't. They literally used the word important, you burnt out lightbulb.

And just how does that change the fact they they feel it's OK for protestors to congregate and yet not OK for Trump supporters to congregate in the very same pandemic? They feel it's "important" to protest en masse but "not important"--or in their minds, flat out dangerous--for Trump supporters to publicly congregate. "Important", "OK", or whatever, the double standard is obvious.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

And just how does that change the fact they they feel it's OK for protestors to congregate and yet not OK for Trump supporters to congregate in the very same pandemic? They feel it's "important" to protest en masse but "not important"--or in their minds, flat out dangerous--for Trump supporters to publicly congregate. "Important", "OK", or whatever, the double standard is obvious.

Because one thing is a right granted by the contsitution of the United States, and the other is a circle jerk echo chamber.

Let me see if I can dumb it down for you. It's pouring outside. You just took a shower and are about to watch some TV. Uh oh.....you just remembered, you left your favorite Barbie doll outside. Bah....it's not that important. No need to get drenched. You can get it tomorrow. Then your neighbor calls, because....oops! Your dog is still chained up in the back yard. Now all of a sudden there's something more important outside. You go outside and get the dog. Are you a hypocrite....or did you just find that getting the dog was worth the risk of getting wet, while getting the Barbie wasn't?

 

[AKAK]

I think one fundamental difference that I can think of is one gathering is outside, comprised mostly of young people with a high percentage of mask wearing, and it's still too soon to determine what kind of spike resulted from the protests. The other is going to be held inside, comprised mostly of old people with little or no mask wearing.

Nah.

Objectively everyone, the weirdo michigan militia weirdos, the protesters, looters, rioters, insurrectionists, secessionists and trump supporters all have the same 1A right to assemble and infect and kill grandma.

That genie is out of the bottle, lockdown is over... it is what it is.

I mean, we can do the "moral clarity" thing... But who wants to be like the new york times.

 

[AKAK]

Because one thing is a right granted by the contsitution of the United States, and the other is a circle jerk echo chamber.

Oh, dude. No.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Oh, dude. No.

Are you going to argue that a Trump rally is anything other than that? Or any political rally for that matter?

 

[AKAK]

Are you going to argue that a Trump rally is anything other than that? Or any political rally for that matter?

It certainly is that

But its exactly the kind of thing protected by the right to assemble under the first amendment.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

It certainly is that

But its exactly the kind of thing protected by the right to assemble under the first amendment.

Well the Supreme Court isn't coming out saying one is allowed and one isn't. But there's nothing hypocritical about NPR saying one thing is important enough to outweigh the risk, and one isn't. And it's not even NPR saying it....it's WHO.

 

[AKAK]

Well the Supreme Court isn't coming out saying one is allowed and one isn't. But there's nothing hypocritical about NPR saying one thing is important enough to outweigh the risk, and one isn't. And it's not even NPR saying it....it's WHO.

WHO doesn't matter..

Political speech is the most protected speech under the constitution. Whether that speech is Trump or the folks at his rallies peacefully assembling and "speaking" by their attendance or applause or whatever. Its objectively no different than demanding police reform etc etc.

NPRs framing is crap, that was the point... Because under the law there is no difference.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

WHO doesn't matter..

Political speech is the most protected speech under the constitution. Whether that speech is Trump or the folks at his rallies peacefully assembling and "speaking" by their attendance or applause or whatever. Its objectively no different than demanding police reform etc etc.

NPRs framing is crap, that was the point... Because under the law there is no difference.

You're the one looking at it under the focal point of "under the law", though. NPR isn't making that distinction. It's no different than telling people they should only go out for essential things. They aren't (and can't) outlawing anything....or saying anything should be outlawed. They are two articles....one saying maybe not such a great idea to group all up in a gym and do your trained seal routine while your racist shitbag idol blows his dog whistle. The other saying....yeah, the virus is deadly...but what you're fighting for (read: not getting haircuts) might just be worth the risk. be safe.

 

[Taosman]

Nah.

Objectively everyone, the weirdo michigan militia weirdos, the protesters, looters, rioters, insurrectionists, secessionists and trump supporters all have the same 1A right to assemble and infect and kill grandma.

That genie is out of the bottle, lockdown is over... it is what it is.

I mean, we can do the "moral clarity" thing... But who wants to be like the new york times.

You're right. The "genie" is out of the bottle as most nations have made the cynical decision to open up with more deaths inevitable. Americans are a cynical, selfish lot that don't care about Americans dying unless it's a loved one. Or someone important tells them they should care. The bar has been lowered on the value of American lives. Situational Ethics. It's not BLM or WLM it's no life matters. Only the dollar.

 

[AKAK]

You're right. The "genie" is out of the bottle as most nations have made the cynical decision to open up with more deaths inevitable. Americans are a cynical, selfish lot that don't care about Americans dying unless it's a loved one. Or someone important tells them they should care. The bar has been lowered on the value of American lives.

There's a more cynical explanation but we're at good for the goose good for the gander now. I don't disagree with what you're saying, not naming names but a few of us quietly pointed out constitutional problems while more or less acceding to the lockdowns... Because well, lockdowns as a matter of public health guidance were the right course of action.

Now there's no "oh we can speak politically en masse and you can't"

It is what it is

 

[AKAK]

You're the one looking at it under the focal point of "under the law", though. NPR isn't making that distinction. It's no different than telling people they should only go out for essential things. They aren't (and can't) outlawing anything....or saying anything should be outlawed. They are two articles....one saying maybe not such a great idea to group all up in a gym and do your trained seal routine while your racist shitbag idol blows his dog whistle. The other saying....yeah, the virus is deadly...but what you're fighting for (read: not getting haircuts) might just be worth the risk. be safe.

You're the one implying one is constitutionally protected and the other isn't.

That's just not the case.

Because one thing is a right granted by the contsitution of the United States, and the other is a circle jerk echo chamber.

The point of free speech is... You dont get to judge what speech is free

Rest assured, i will defend your right to say whatever you want whenever you want to in any venue if you believe its important to do so.

Afterwards I will tell you which parts I thought were completely dumb...

Trump is dumb, and the people may be ill advised to show up to participate. But they should be allowed to decide, just as the protestors have the last few weeks.

 

[Taosman]

There's a more cynical explanation but we're at good for the goose good for the gander now. I don't disagree with what you're saying, not naming names but a few of us quietly pointed out constitutional problems while more or less acceding to the lockdowns... Because well, lockdowns as a matter of public health guidance were the right course of action.

Now there's no "oh we can speak politically en masse and you can't"

It is what it is

What it "is" is a permanent ugly stain. One we'll look back on with dismay if not discuss.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

You're the one implying one is constitutionally protected and the other isn't.

Eh....not really my intent. I don't consider going to the movies or a baseball game as "assembling" in the same way. I get your point....but I doubt that's how WHO or NPR or whoever is looking at a Trump rally.

If somebody wants to actually prevent a rally from happening, and they want to protest that.....by all means. But the rally itself vs "hey, treat black people better"....not a worthy comparison.

 

[AKAK]

What it "is" is a permanent ugly stain. One we'll look back on with dismay if not discuss.

I'm not getting deep into it at the moment, but this is a real "freedom has a price" sort of moment without talking about wars in far off places and.abstract dangers. I did make some snarky comments about it because well the lockdown (media) folks quickly became rhe agents of Grandmas death given the right cause. But here we are.