Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[Best Buckeye]

still going up over the last 7 days.
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/coronavirus-tracker-what-michigan-needs-know-now

 

[jwinslow]

From the map I just saw ichigan peaked April 10th.

I'm going by what hospitals were saying 3-5 days ago. Things certainly move quickly.

As for charts, there's the large elephant in the room of still insufficient testing. The wave of critical patients that die could still come, but the real threat is the army of middle-aged folks who probably won't die but may hog a bed and/or respirator for awhile.

 

[Hstead]

I'm going by what hospitals were saying 3-5 days ago. Things certainly move quickly.

As for charts, there's the large elephant in the room of still insufficient testing. The wave of critical patients that die could still come, but the real threat is the army of middle-aged folks who probably won't die but may hog a bed and/or respirator for awhile.

The projections change daily, but google has quite a few "maps" now that show when each state is expected to peak and now they are showing ichigan and Ohio both already past their peak deaths. They are now expecting fewer deaths and cases reported daily.

 

[jwinslow]

The projections change daily, but google has quite a few "maps" now that show when each state is expected to peak and now they are showing ichigan and Ohio both already past their peak deaths. They are now expecting fewer deaths and cases reported daily.

But it hasn't hit most of the state yet. Is it possible it never truly does? I suppose so, but that seems overly optimistic.

 

[Hstead]

But it hasn't hit most of the state yet. Is it possible it never truly does? I suppose so, but that seems overly optimistic.

I am going off of the IMHE predictions, which change daily, but they predicted ichigan to peak April 10th at the end of March and the data has shown they actually appear to have gotten it right as deaths and hospital admissions have dropped daily since April 10th in ichigan and April 13th for Ohio which is why both gubners are talking about reopening May 1st some parts of the economy in both states.

 

[Best Buckeye]

still going up over the last 7 days.
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/coronavirus-tracker-what-michigan-needs-know-now

I'm going by what hospitals were saying 3-5 days ago. Things certainly move quickly.

As for charts, there's the large elephant in the room of still insufficient testing. The wave of critical patients that die could still come, but the real threat is the army of middle-aged folks who probably won't die but may hog a bed and/or respirator for awhile.

I am going off of the IMHE predictions, which change daily, but they predicted ichigan to peak April 10th at the end of March and the data has shown they actually appear to have gotten it right as deaths and hospital admissions have dropped daily since April 10th in ichigan and April 13th for Ohio which is why both gubners are talking about reopening May 1st some parts of the economy in both states.

I am going off the State of michigan data. Look at the chart on this page.
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/coronavirus-tracker-what-michigan-needs-know-now[/QUOTE]

 

[AKAK]

But it hasn't hit most of the state yet. Is it possible it never truly does? I suppose so, but that seems overly optimistic.

What does "truly" mean? What's the population density of the UP, like 25 people per square mile? Place like that need, "Hey, yo, there's a virus, be super careful and wash your hands at the grocery store" -- yeah, I understand the everyone goes to the same Wal Mart thing, but if that's a thing, its a slow burn thing, not an overwhelm resources thing. Are there going to be hotspot rural towns like the one in Georgia? Yeah. But Iowans aren't using the NYC subway system.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

Here in the Princeton area
Penn Princeton Hospital has had zero deaths in the last week... which is really great news for two reasons
1) the obvious 2) because no one will take a body... crematorium nor funeral home... they stay in the trucks...
Everyone extremely concerned that bodies still have active virus..
Actual discussions going on that bodies may have to go to monster hazmat material incinerators which burn at a very intense temp

Considerable turnover in admittees/released patients which is a big change/improvement.. same for ICU
Our positive tests in the area continue to grow... asst living facilities BIG problem... and some these are very ELITE facilities
Many have rotating staff from around Jersey and staff are tested positive

Hopefully we have made the turn.. first week of good news in many

 

[Hstead]

Hopefully we have made the turn but it if they missed it again and there is a resurgence, man is that going to be ugly. We need a medication that works and then a vaccine ASAP.

 

[jwinslow]

What does "truly" mean?

Not sure, but certainly more than 10 cases, which about half of them have not had yet
https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98163-520743--,00.html

What's the population density of the UP, like 25 people per square mile? Place like that need, "Hey, yo, there's a virus, be super careful and wash your hands at the grocery store" -- yeah, I understand the everyone goes to the same Wal Mart thing, but if that's a thing, its a slow burn thing, not an overwhelm resources thing. Are there going to be hotspot rural towns like the one in Georgia? Yeah. But Iowans aren't using the NYC subway system.

I doubt the incredibly isolated UP would get ravaged, plus they may just send them on an iceberg to canada at gunpoint. The main concern there is every single citizen in Michigan has a family cabin up north and will be transporting the city folk problem up there.

Hopefully we've bought time to get the protection, financial support and staffing that they'll need should this arrive up there. The first category hasn't been addressed adequately at all, and bracing for this has crippled the latter two areas.


The other elephant in the room is what happens when people finally come for the care they've needed for 6 weeks but were too scared to seek:
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-h...chigan-hospitals-where-are-all-other-patients

Who will be joining the scores of elective case that were put on hold, and most of these two groups are cases that would have been largely treated by now, clearing room for the next wave. Those are now all going to hit at once, in a broken medical system that is hanging on by a thread right now financially.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

I have to question if xichigan will be ready when Ohio is. It appears to me that they are way behind Ohio. I don't know if they have peaked out yet.

Uhh, *ichigan peaked in, like, 1915.

 

[Taosman]

This says ichigan peaked a week ago.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/michigan

 

[Jagdaddy]

He's not wrong.

COVID-19 notwithstanding, the need for every Governor, POTUS, and some other elected officials to have an army of people around for bill signings, public announcements, etc. annoys me even in normal times. It's like, "we provided some $ for highways, here are ten DOT workers in reflective vests and helmets standing in a phalanx behind me because we were out of dogs and ponies."

https://www.businessinsider.com/fem...Bbykal9jljCLken52QBudzh3zHpbt4wiApEfcfD0pLNmo

This should be thoroughly tracked down and prosecuted and people should get long prison sentences.

Not sure, but certainly more than 10 cases, which about half of them have not had yet
https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98163-520743--,00.html
I doubt the incredibly isolated UP would get ravaged, plus they may just send them on an iceberg to canada at gunpoint. The main concern there is every single citizen in Michigan has a family cabin up north and will be transporting the city folk problem up there.

This is an issue in Colorado. Mountain towns are begging front range folks to stay away from their mountain second homes. They don't have the capacity to treat a lot of cases. Also, you probably don't want to be in the thinner air with a respiratory disease around anyway.

 

[AKAK]

Not sure, but certainly more than 10 cases, which about half of them have not had yet
https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98163-520743--,00.html
I doubt the incredibly isolated UP would get ravaged, plus they may just send them on an iceberg to canada at gunpoint. The main concern there is every single citizen in Michigan has a family cabin up north and will be transporting the city folk problem up there.

Hopefully we've bought time to get the protection, financial support and staffing that they'll need should this arrive up there. The first category hasn't been addressed adequately at all, and bracing for this has crippled the latter two areas.


The other elephant in the room is what happens when people finally come for the care they've needed for 6 weeks but were too scared to seek:
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-h...chigan-hospitals-where-are-all-other-patients

Who will be joining the scores of elective case that were put on hold, and most of these two groups are cases that would have been largely treated by now, clearing room for the next wave. Those are now all going to hit at once, in a broken medical system that is hanging on by a thread right now financially.

You can't go to your own vacation home Josh, remember? You might then get on your fishing boat very close to all those other people out on the inland seas. But once again, if you follow the rules, even in UP the social distancing is a thing. Presumably you don't have a job to go to in the UP when you go to your cabin... these rules are not in place to protect you, only you can protect you. The rules are in place so you don't set off all the other ping pong ball loaded mouse traps.

Some places, folks are already spread out. This goes directly to R0.

For emergency rooms, where are all the drug- and alcohol-related emergencies? The heart attacks and strokes? For urgent care clinics, where are the children with flu and strep throat? The elderly people with urinary tract infections?

I mean, aren't the answers, can't go to bars, dead, social distancing, and the urinary tract infections may or may not be a mystery I guess?

I mean, I see your point, but heart attacks and strokes are gonna happen either way, and in real elective situations, I'd imagine they can find guidelines to schedule those things.

 

[jwinslow]

You can't go to your own vacation home Josh, remember?

Whitmer is handing that state back to Donald, after they were having their first inkling of doubt since 2016.

You might then get on your fishing boat very close to all those other people out on the inland seas. But once again, if you follow the rules, even in UP the social distancing is a thing. Presumably you don't have a job to go to in the UP when you go to your cabin... these rules are not in place to protect you, only you can protect you. The rules are in place so you don't set off all the other ping pong ball loaded mouse traps.

Some places, folks are already spread out. This goes directly to R0.

The UP is very isolated. The question is what happens to GR, Lansing, etc.

I mean, aren't the answers, can't go to bars, dead, social distancing, and the urinary tract infections may or may not be a mystery I guess?

I mean, I see your point, but heart attacks and strokes are gonna happen either way, and in real elective situations, I'd imagine they can find guidelines to schedule those things.

But people sit on situations when they're inconvenienced (see the sudden need for medium care around the holidays), let alone when they're scared to get care. Hopefully I'm reading too much into this.

And the below medium cases that get postponed for [TBD] months lead to more serious issues, and require the patient to let the doctor know if it gets worse. But docs are saying folks are oddly quieter on usual fronts, like the ones you mentioned that aren't really a choice (heart attacks, pneumonia, etc).