Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

One in 5,200 people on the planet have it. It has killed 0.0192% of the people on the planet.

EDIT: The 0.0192% is the percentage of people on the planet infected. The percentage of people killed by it is 0.0011%.

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[sparcboxbuck]

OK but that's not on point. If your mom got this virus and then passed away, the cause would be the virus. You can't say "well if she had also gotten pneumonia (holy shit I got that on the first try) she would've died." She didn't get pneumonia....she got corona. That's what actually killed her. Without corona, she's still alive.....with it, she dies. That's the cause.

This is technically correct based on WHO definitions. https://www-doh.state.nj.us/doh-shad/view/sharedstatic/UnderlyingCauseOfDeath.pdf

What is omitted from the definition (and discussions), however, is the inclusion of comorbidity and how a comorbidity may put one in a position to be either more susceptible to catching the virus or, if caught, the severity.

While the counting of the deaths is, per the definition, accurate... there’s also no denying the role of comorbidity in the death rates. This virus is like throwing gasoline on a smoldering fire. Without the gas, the fire would like burn on slowly and eventually run its course. With COVID19 and any number of comorbidites, you can pretty much figure on it being a death sentence.

 

[OHSportsFan]

Been following the UW projections. Looks like it updated today.

Total deaths by August 4 dropped from ~93k to ~81k. About 20% of those in the US would be in NY.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

Now down to 60k deaths. Projection dropping every day. That’s good.

On one hand, I’m still really perplexed by the rush we saw by leaders/commissioners to see who could cancel their event the fastest and furthest out. I was always on board with giving this thing a few weeks to play out while we shut things down temporarily. On the other hand I don’t see how/when we ever get released back into the wild.

I fully believe the drastic measures are what have stemmed this thing, but like what now? What’s the end game? Numbers go down because we’re stuck inside forever?

 

[buckeyebri]

I don’t like the usage of the term ‘new normal’. There’s nothing normal about what is going on.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Now down to 60k deaths. Projection dropping every day. That’s good.

On one hand, I’m still really perplexed by the rush we saw by leaders/commissioners to see who could cancel their event the fastest and furthest out. I was always on board with giving this thing a few weeks to play out while we shut things down temporarily. On the other hand I don’t see how/when we ever get released back into the wild.

I fully believe the drastic measures are what have stemmed this thing, but like what now? What’s the end game? Numbers go down because we’re stuck inside forever?

The drastic measures are designed to give us time to figure this thing out .... until there is either way more accessible testing or a vaccine we will be at a risk for another outbreak. So while the shelter orders will be relaxed eventually it will still be dicey and will count on people monitoring themselves and self isolating if they think they might have it.

 

[AKAK]

Now down to 60k deaths. Projection dropping every day. That’s good.

On one hand, I’m still really perplexed by the rush we saw by leaders/commissioners to see who could cancel their event the fastest and furthest out. I was always on board with giving this thing a few weeks to play out while we shut things down temporarily. On the other hand I don’t see how/when we ever get released back into the wild.

I fully believe the drastic measures are what have stemmed this thing, but like what now? What’s the end game? Numbers go down because we’re stuck inside forever?

I mean, really the only plan they had was to not overwhelm hospitals, and that's all good and well, don't get me wrong. But, yeah, I mean, the plan is still half of us get infected very slowly so there's resistance in the population or a vaccine happens.

 

[buckeyebri]

The drastic measures are designed to give us time to figure this thing out .... until there is either way more accessible testing or a vaccine we will be at a risk for another outbreak. So while the shelter orders will be relaxed eventually it will still be dicey and will count on people monitoring themselves and self isolating if they think they might have it.

I mean, really the only plan they had was to not overwhelm hospitals, and that's all good and well, don't get me wrong. But, yeah, I mean, the plan is still half of us get infected very slowly so there's resistance in the population or a vaccine happens.

The question becomes at what point do they relax the restrictions and what’s the criteria used to do so. At some point people are going to say fuck it we’re done with this shelter in place and go back to trying to live their lives in the old normal.

 

[AKAK]

The question becomes at what point do they relax the restrictions and what’s the criteria used to do so. At some point people are going to say fuck it we’re done with this shelter in place and go back to trying to live their lives in the old normal.

And others are gonna say "fuck it its too scary to go outside until I know I can't get this"

So, you know, this is where the "stay homers" and the "economy is dyingers" end up strawmanning each other to death.

But... you really can't turn off major segments of the economy for 18 months without a decade or more of real damage.

So, at what point, and the point will come... is the sacrifice going to switch from staying home to going out?

 

[buckeyebri]

And others are gonna say "fuck it its too scary to go outside until I know I can't get this"

So, you know, this is where the "stay homers" and the "economy is dyingers" end up strawmanning each other to death.

But... you really can't turn off major segments of the economy for 18 months without a decade or more of real damage.

So, at what point, and the point will come... is the sacrifice going to switch from staying home to going out?

The way I read, I’m guessing that a majority of people are going to get it somewhere along the line. We’re still 15 months from a vaccine based on normal vaccination development and testing. As you say we’re not economically going to survive that. Other issues will drive what happens before that point.

Edit: Does the Sweden model come into play here after we get through the initial Shelter in Place?

 

[Best Buckeye]

I don't know about you guys but I just ordered my own live in protective bubble......

 

[Thump]

The way I read, I’m guessing that a majority of people are going to get it somewhere along the line. We’re still 15 months from a vaccine based on normal vaccination development and testing. As you say we’re not economically going to survive that. Other issues will drive what happens before that point.

And once the vaccine is available just imagine how many months until everyone is able to receive it.

Tack on at least a few more months.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

iT's JuSt ThE cOmMoN cOlD

 

[heisman]

iT's JuSt ThE cOmMoN cOlD

Convenient.

HIV/AIDS PANDEMIC (AT ITS PEAK, 2005-2012)
Death Toll: 36 million
Cause: HIV/AIDS
First identified in Democratic Republic of the Congo in 1976, HIV/AIDS has truly proven itself as a global pandemic, killing more than 36 million people since 1981. Currently there are between 31 and 35 million people living with HIV, the vast majority of those are in Sub-Saharan Africa, where 5% of the population is infected, roughly 21 million people. As awareness has grown, new treatments have been developed that make HIV far more manageable, and many of those infected go on to lead productive lives. Between 2005 and 2012 the annual global deaths from HIV/AIDS dropped from 2.2 million to 1.6 million.

https://www.mphonline.org/worst-pandemics-in-history/