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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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heisman said:
I know it's rhetorical, but I'll answer anyway. Current narrative: the solution (massive unemployment) is better than the problem (medical capacity). Once the state and local government employees start hitting the unemployment parade, the narrative will mysteriously shift, and shift dramatically. As if you didn't know?
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It wasn't rhetorical. I don't pretend to be able to read others' minds. And I was curious as to how off-base you'd be on your assessment of "the narrative", as if a single narrative of anything even exists. And, BTW, the state and local government employees who work for our police, fire, emergency response, public healthcare, social work, mail delivery, trash collection, and sanitation providers (and surely other parts of government that I'm not thinking of at the moment) seem more likely to get sick or perish from this than plenty of others while providing far more important services for everybody than large swathes of the private sector do so assuming that they're more self-interested than the general population seems like a stretch.
 
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buckeyebri said:
Even in “lockdown” people are out going to the grocery store, walking, running, getting beer and food to go. What I still see here is people just not adhering to the social distancing protocols. There’s still this it won’t happen to me mentality.
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i am high risk but won’t let my wife or kids go to the store. i go once a week for our needs and once for my 83 year old dad. it still pissed me off that people still won’t keep their distances and there are always families of 6 running around. had to pick up meds last night and was amazed to see people in the checkout lines with 65 inch TV’s...because, essentials.
i hate people. i really do.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
It wasn't rhetorical. I don't pretend to be able to read others' minds. And I was curious as to how off-base you'd be on your assessment of "the narrative", as if a single narrative of anything even exists. And, BTW, the state and local government employees who work for our police, fire, emergency response, public healthcare, social work, mail delivery, trash collection, and sanitation providers (and surely other parts of government that I'm not thinking of at the moment) seem more likely to get sick or perish from this than plenty of others while providing far more important services for everybody than large swathes of the private sector do so assuming that they're more self-interested than the general population seems like a stretch.
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They start laying off the police force and it will be anarchy. I'm talking about the government administrative glut that is all sitting at home right now while getting paid to do nothing. Come to Chicago some time when a city union is on strike if you would like to see where I draw my historical reference of how easily the government changes their mind when the march is on.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
You start finding more intelligent mitigation strategies while business are open to at least some sort of former capacity.

Basic PPE protocols that anyone can follow will work.

Masks (don't have to be medical grade), handwashing, face contact, 6 ft radius....all of these things will help slow down the spread.

The idea that there is no alternative to lockdown, that it's all or nothing is false.
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My only quibbles, and they're just quibbles, are: (1) that there's literally no instruction on this Earth that "anyone can follow" because there are ALWAYS people who are oblivious or just assholes (gotta keep going to my megachurch, gotta party at the beach, etc.); and (2) that government "lockdown" is responsible for all of the economic pain. A lot of people were avoiding congregating at places like restaurants, going to movies, and generally putting off unnecessary activities requiring contact with others and discretionary spending of money before government started insisting on it. So, is the incremental gain in public safety and possibly long-term economic pain from formal government measures worth the incremental increase in short-term economic pain and possibly long-term economic pain from not taking those measures? Fuck, I don't know. But, as I said over two weeks ago:

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One of the great things about America is that, within pretty broad limits, one has the right to be an asshole. One of the not so great things about America is that many people think that exercising that right to its fullest somehow makes one more American than showing some personal restraint and is to be admired. As the latter gets more and more out of hand, the former becomes more and more imperiled.
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I strongly suspect that if fewer of us were assholes, we'd be asked to do things more than we have been and told to do things less than we have been.
 
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heisman said:
They start laying off the police force and it will be anarchy. I'm talking about the government administrative glut that is all sitting at home right now while getting paid to do nothing. Come to Chicago some time when a city union is on strike if you would like to see where I draw my historical reference of how easily the government changes their mind when the march is on.
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So, what percentage of government employees do you figure that is? I'm curious about that, and about how you feel that percentage compares to the percentage of all of the private sector types who have been or now are working from home who are doing nothing.
 
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heisman said:
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You only need to look at the first round of legislation to realize, if you hadn’t already known this, that these assholes that run our federal government are incapable of passing legislation aimed solely at benefiting the average American.

New legislation will do nothing to benefit those that need it...they just don’t fucking care...
 
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