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dwimmer38
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Gov
It's a shame the government has to be involved in something like this. However, since it looks like they are going to get involved, I hope it leads to a playoff system. Their previous involvement appears to have forced extra bowl games to be added. Maybe it will force a playoff this time :)
It's a shame the government has to be involved in something like this. However, since it looks like they are going to get involved, I hope it leads to a playoff system. Their previous involvement appears to have forced extra bowl games to be added. Maybe it will force a playoff this time :)
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UGABuck
All-American
The fact that he is from Texas should tell you something.
There are some bowls and some communities that are not benefitting from the BCS.
I have a friend (
) in a business who has contracts with a few of the members of HECS. There is a very real possibility of one of two things happening:
1) PACs whose members include Disney Corp, Fedex, Nokia and Pepsico will be written a few more checks.
or
2) There will be substantial talk of a playoff system.
There are some bowls and some communities that are not benefitting from the BCS.
I have a friend (
) in a business who has contracts with a few of the members of HECS. There is a very real possibility of one of two things happening:1) PACs whose members include Disney Corp, Fedex, Nokia and Pepsico will be written a few more checks.
or
2) There will be substantial talk of a playoff system.
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The fact that he is from Texas should tell you something.
There are some bowls and some communities that are not benefitting from the BCS.
I have a friend (
1) PACs whose members include Disney Corp, Fedex, Nokia and Pepsico will be written a few more checks.
or
2) There will be substantial talk of a playoff system.
Are you trying to tell us that this might be more about money than football? I am shocked and appalled.
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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td class="yspsctnhdln">BCS head: Football playoffs could be done, but we've chosen not to</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="7"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> By HOWARD FENDRICH, AP Sports Writer
December 7, 2005 WASHINGTON (AP) -- A playoff system could be used in major college football and the so-called "plus-one" model for determining a national champion should be reconsidered, the head of the Bowl Championship Series told Congress on Wednesday.
When House Subcommittee on Commerce Trade and Consumer Protection Chairman Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., pointed out that lower divisions have playoffs for football, BCS coordinator Kevin Weiberg said: "It certainly, congressman, is possible to have a playoff at the Division I-A level, as well. We have chosen not to go down that path."
Between jokes about needing tickets for bowl games and remarks about more important matters they could be addressing, lawmakers on the subcommittee -- which examined steroids in professional sports earlier this year -- made clear they are not interested in pursuing legislation.
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</noscript> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> But they did want to know why Division I-A football is the only college sport without a playoff system.
"Why can't it do it? Why can't it do it?" asked Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas. "We're not going to introduce a playoff bill after this hearing. But I hope this hearing causes discussion. I would like to see the NCAA and the major conferences and the BCS come together on their own to develop a playoff system."
There are 28 bowls, and four are in the BCS: the Rose, Orange, Fiesta and Sugar. Those take turns hosting a championship game between the Nos. 1 and 2 teams in the BCS standings, based on two human polls and computer ratings.
The "plus-one" concept, where the fifth game of the BCS format would be a championship game with two teams advancing from the first four bowl games, was considered in 2004.
Weiberg, the commissioner of the Big 12 and one of six witnesses Wednesday, testified that the "'plus-one' model is one that deserves review. It is not one, as of yet, that has had full opportunity for review."
He said he's open to changing the current setup but noted that school presidents would have to approve playing extra postseason games -- something they have shown no inclination to do.
Weiberg is in his final season as BCS coordinator. Southeastern Conference commissioner Mike Slive starts a two-year tenure in 2006.
Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, Rose Bowl management committee chairman William Johnstone and other witnesses offered several arguments against playoffs: They would abandon tradition, diminish the importance of the regular season, lower the economic impact of some bowls, and create academic conflicts.
"The bowls are not perfect, and the Bowl Championship Series is not perfect," Football Bowl Association chairman and Alamo Bowl CEO Derrick Fox said. "But a playoff system is dangerous."
Barton questioned the concern about academics, citing a recent report that said 41 percent of this year's bowl-bound college football teams fall below the NCAA's new academic benchmark.
"Let's don't use (academics) as an excuse not to have a playoff system -- and then ignore it," Barton said.
He also wondered aloud whether money is the biggest reason there isn't a playoff.
"Doesn't it really boil down to that the major bowls ... don't want a playoff system because you think it's going to impinge on the money that the big bowls make?" Barton said.
Delany responded that "an NFL-style football playoff would provide three to four times as many dollars to the Big Ten as the current system does. There is no doubt in my mind that we are leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table."
The BCS was created in 1998 by the six most powerful conferences. Since then, the system has been tweaked to make it easier for teams from smaller conferences to qualify for the top games.
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December 7, 2005 WASHINGTON (AP) -- A playoff system could be used in major college football and the so-called "plus-one" model for determining a national champion should be reconsidered, the head of the Bowl Championship Series told Congress on Wednesday.
When House Subcommittee on Commerce Trade and Consumer Protection Chairman Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., pointed out that lower divisions have playoffs for football, BCS coordinator Kevin Weiberg said: "It certainly, congressman, is possible to have a playoff at the Division I-A level, as well. We have chosen not to go down that path."
Between jokes about needing tickets for bowl games and remarks about more important matters they could be addressing, lawmakers on the subcommittee -- which examined steroids in professional sports earlier this year -- made clear they are not interested in pursuing legislation.
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"Why can't it do it? Why can't it do it?" asked Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas. "We're not going to introduce a playoff bill after this hearing. But I hope this hearing causes discussion. I would like to see the NCAA and the major conferences and the BCS come together on their own to develop a playoff system."
There are 28 bowls, and four are in the BCS: the Rose, Orange, Fiesta and Sugar. Those take turns hosting a championship game between the Nos. 1 and 2 teams in the BCS standings, based on two human polls and computer ratings.
The "plus-one" concept, where the fifth game of the BCS format would be a championship game with two teams advancing from the first four bowl games, was considered in 2004.
Weiberg, the commissioner of the Big 12 and one of six witnesses Wednesday, testified that the "'plus-one' model is one that deserves review. It is not one, as of yet, that has had full opportunity for review."
He said he's open to changing the current setup but noted that school presidents would have to approve playing extra postseason games -- something they have shown no inclination to do.
Weiberg is in his final season as BCS coordinator. Southeastern Conference commissioner Mike Slive starts a two-year tenure in 2006.
Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, Rose Bowl management committee chairman William Johnstone and other witnesses offered several arguments against playoffs: They would abandon tradition, diminish the importance of the regular season, lower the economic impact of some bowls, and create academic conflicts.
"The bowls are not perfect, and the Bowl Championship Series is not perfect," Football Bowl Association chairman and Alamo Bowl CEO Derrick Fox said. "But a playoff system is dangerous."
Barton questioned the concern about academics, citing a recent report that said 41 percent of this year's bowl-bound college football teams fall below the NCAA's new academic benchmark.
"Let's don't use (academics) as an excuse not to have a playoff system -- and then ignore it," Barton said.
He also wondered aloud whether money is the biggest reason there isn't a playoff.
"Doesn't it really boil down to that the major bowls ... don't want a playoff system because you think it's going to impinge on the money that the big bowls make?" Barton said.
Delany responded that "an NFL-style football playoff would provide three to four times as many dollars to the Big Ten as the current system does. There is no doubt in my mind that we are leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table."
The BCS was created in 1998 by the six most powerful conferences. Since then, the system has been tweaked to make it easier for teams from smaller conferences to qualify for the top games.
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BuckeyePride
All-Ohio
I think one of the Rep did mentioned that this is something we have to look at however, there are other important issues they deal with. That's why entire committee was not there. This was a sub-committee that handles sports and they only discuss this type of issues very rarely. Also, I think Congress can only make suggestions in this matter.
Almost everyone from the bowl presidents to conf commissioners mentioned that they'd rather go back to old system than going to a playoff system.<O:p</O:p
Almost everyone from the bowl presidents to conf commissioners mentioned that they'd rather go back to old system than going to a playoff system.<O:p</O:p
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I wouldn't complain about the playoff system (unless they find a way to come up with some REALLY weird system), but I would complain about the fact that the government forced it onto college football. As has been stated by many people before me in this thread, the government has no place in football (whether it's college or pro, rule-making or post-season schedules). The NCAA should be allowed to run itself the way it sees fit. If the government tells them that they need to adopt a playoff system to more fairly choose a champion, it would be as bad as if the government came into your home and told you to eat more vegetables, stop drinking so much beer, quit smoking, and exercise 4 days a week, because it'll help you live longer and be a more productive member of society for a longer amount of time.
(Wow.. that was a long sentence. I hope it makes sense.)
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Buckeye513
Stable Genius
We would if we ended up being the 9th ranked team in an 8 team playoff. No one will ever be pleased, someone will always feel left out.
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you can't please everyone, but those that get snubbed for the last spot in the BCS or an 8-game playoff have a far weaker argument than teams like 04 Auburn who have every right to play for the title.
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Buckeye513
Stable Genius
Even if a plus-1 system had been introduced last year, I would bet the house that Louisville, Texas, and Utah would all have believed that they deserved the spot in the final game.
I don't see why people waste their time and energy on such a meaningless activity as complaining about college football championship systems. Especially Congress.
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we were talking about an 8-game playoff, not a plus one. Very few years have there been more than 3-4 teams with a legitimate argument for playing for the title. Last year was sort of an exception, tho Louisville/Utah didn't play as hard of a schedule as the teams ahead of them.
congress has no business messing with the NCAA/BCS. You were fine watching Tennessee pass all over an undeserving FSU squad, especially when we had a ridiculously talented secondary?
congress has no business messing with the NCAA/BCS. You were fine watching Tennessee pass all over an undeserving FSU squad, especially when we had a ridiculously talented secondary?
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