College Playoff

[schwab]

What is the significance of winning that game? In 06, UM would still make the CCG. What use would that victory be if Hart's boasting came true a week or two later in the rematch?

I puts us as the #1 seed with home-field advantage until the title game. By the way, that victory was of no use to us on January 8th, now was it?

For one, it gets us the Big 10 title! Lest we forget that. Some folks want to act like bragging rights are going to go away with their next flush if we had a playoff. We beat Michigan 42-39, and every athletic supporter of that program in every fashion understood when they went to sleep that night that OSU had just beaten them again for the Big 10 title. That would mean the same thing no matter what comes after it. Should they end up with another shot at the Bucks, whether it be the next game or 3 games afterwards, let's pound their asses one more time for good measure. To me, the sound of that never gets old.

Like Mili said though, #1 in a playoff format would be like what the Patriots are playing for right now. You think they're gonna take the next 5 games off, since they have the division sewn up? Didn't think so.

 

[HailToMichigan]

You on crack...really? Are you really that brain-dead that you actually equate a March Madness #1 Duke vs. #16 Southeast Poly Tech game with a #1 USC vs. #16 Texas? Teams that are seeded 16th in the NCAAs are actually the 61st thru 64th seeds, and they're almost always not even the 61st through 64th best teams in the country, whereas the #16 seed in the I-A playoff would be the #16 team in the country according to the BCS rankings. And since when did the fucking Poinsettia Bowl have "pomp and circumstance"?

Every goddamn bowl that thinks they're any damn thing at all has pomp and circumstance around it.

Where: Cliff & Company Morning Show and online at www.KSON.com

What: The San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl will partner with KSON to host the inaugural Poinsettia Bowl Anthem Contest. Similar to American idol, children between the ages of 8-18 submit audition recordings to KSON. Station listeners and Bowl fans vote online to determine who will sing the National Anthem in front of thousands at the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl, December 20 at Qualcomm Stadium. The Make A Wish Foundation of San Diego is the official beneficiary of the bowl and receives $1 from every ticket sold.

Where: www.PoinsettiaBowl.net
What: The San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl online auction will begin in November with a portion of the proceeds benefiting the Make A Wish Foundation of San Diego. In November, log onto www.PoinsettiaBowl.net to place your bids. Prizes include, but are not limited to: a VIP package to the 2008 Army/Navy Game; signed Chargers memorabilia; Lute Olson signed basketball; a trip for two to the Alamo Bowl; SDSU lunch with Chuck Long and Jeff Schemmel; "Behind the Scenes" Bowl packages and more!

When: December 18, 2007
Where: Ronald McDonald House
Select players and coaches from both participating teams visit Ronald McDonald House in San Diego to serve and eat dinner with the families. Players and coaches will also sign autographs and give out toys and memorabilia to the families. This event is not open to the public.

When: December 19, 2007
Battle of the Bands, 11:00a.m.
Where: Aboard the USS Midway Aircraft Carrier
The AT&T Team Luncheon gives college football fans the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to dine with the players and coaches on board the historic USS Midway on San Diego Bay. The Battle of the University Bands will take place on the flight deck at 11 a.m. followed by the luncheon in the hangar bay at 12 noon. After a delicious lunch, rousing speeches by the coaches and videos of the teams' seasons, take a self-guided tour of the historic USS Midway.
$40 per person, ticket includes admission to the USS Midway, a $15 value.

When: December 20, 2007, 3:30-5:30pm
Where: Qualcomm Stadium ? Parking Lot, Section F-1
San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl members, dignitaries and sponsors kick off their evening of football and fun at the VIP Tailgate. Fantastic food, beverages and entertainment will highlight ?Celebrate the Season? themed party held in the stadium parking lot. Tailgaters enjoy a pep rally atmosphere with private performances by the college bands and cheerleaders.

Tickets are $40.00 each. For orders of 20 more more tickets, please call

Every damn bowl has pomp and circumstance. And that's just the Poinsettia Bowl. You think this kind of stuff surrounds the D-II playoffs? It doesn't even go down for the basketball tournament, not even the Final Four. It's not the Tostitos Final Four brought to you by AT&T. Fuck the revenue, fuck the parties, fuck the charities, 'cause you get NONE of that stuff during the playoffs. They play a basketball game and that's it. Obviously, if you think the Poinsettia Bowl has no pomp and circumstance around it, the sacrifices involved in a playoff system are far more than you realize.

 

[billmac91]

Every goddamn bowl that thinks they're any damn thing at all has pomp and circumstance around it.






Every damn bowl has pomp and circumstance. And that's just the Poinsettia Bowl. You think this kind of stuff surrounds the D-II playoffs? It doesn't even go down for the basketball tournament, not even the Final Four. It's not the Tostitos Final Four brought to you by AT&T. Fuck the revenue, fuck the parties, fuck the charities, 'cause you get NONE of that stuff during the playoffs. They play a basketball game and that's it. Obviously, if you think the Poinsettia Bowl has no pomp and circumstance around it, the sacrifices involved in a playoff system are far more than you realize.

it's truly idiotic and a terrible argument if you don't think a playoff system and bowl games can coincide together. We already have a National Championship BCS game, yet every other bowl game still gets TV rights and sponsors.

To think ESPN would quit showing minor bowl games b/c of a playoff, and corporate sponsors would back off of games b/c of a playoff system is just silly.

I mean most of it is geographical anyways, knowing visiting fans want a December vacation. You think San Diego and San Antonio will say "fuck a bowl game now that theres a playoff system". Get a clue, seriously. Theres always a market for tradition programs to play tradition programs, and small schools who don't always get bowl games.

I don't mean to be rude. But it's just too obvious.

As for other sponsorship dollars, they can be made. Yes you can name the playoff system, the "Sears National Playoffs" or whatever else youy want to call it. You can also utilize playoff stadiums and tag sponorship to those. The easiest answer would be to have a group of sponsors that get name rights on the games and also advertising rights during the game. The final 4 was bombarded with Dick Vitale and his stupid micro-wave pizza. That micro-wave pizza also found its way into the game coming back from breaks. There are all sorts of way to sell corporate sponsorships.

 

[schwab]

Every goddamn bowl that thinks they're any damn thing at all has pomp and circumstance around it.






Every damn bowl has pomp and circumstance. And that's just the Poinsettia Bowl. You think this kind of stuff surrounds the D-II playoffs? It doesn't even go down for the basketball tournament, not even the Final Four. It's not the Tostitos Final Four brought to you by AT&T. Fuck the revenue, fuck the parties, fuck the charities, 'cause you get NONE of that stuff during the playoffs. They play a basketball game and that's it. Obviously, if you think the Poinsettia Bowl has no pomp and circumstance around it, the sacrifices involved in a playoff system are far more than you realize.

Honestly, brother, I think you are trying to out-think the room. Which only gets us back to the original point. Please don't spend your time defending a system that already exists, as it won't get us anywhere. With or without your arguments, the system stands as it is, and it will tomorrow. No matter how wrong it may be. Like billmac said, the attention paid to these bowl games that currently exist is in of itself a separate entity. How in all of God's good creation are you assuming that the Poinsettia bowl has had ANYTHING to do with the national champion EVER? If the powers that be (sleeping) would ever decide to hold a playoff like every other normal sport and group of human beings before them have decided, then how would the Poinsettia Bowl be affected? Seriously, man, if you have a parade in your own neighborhood, hence your pomp and cirumstance, then that's all on you. Don't ask me to attend, because I won't. Nice argument by the way, on why we don't have a playoff. The Poinsettia Bowl. Let's work a little harder at a response next time, no? I would throw a family guy reference in here off of youtube, but it wouldn't help the overall mess here. Go Bucks.

 

[Mike80]

Not a valid comparison. If the crappy third-tier bowls get to stick around even in a playoff system, the Poinsettia Bowl will still be the Poinsettia Bowl featuring Navy and New Mexico. If we're talking a 16-game playoff, the first-round equivalent is more like the Gator Bowl. A playoff game wouldn't have any of the pomp and circumstance that surrounds every bowl game and rakes in the cash besides. Nobody sponsors it when some 16 seed from the MEAC gets stomped by UNC in March, nor even do they sponsor the Sweet Sixteen, why would anyone sponsor an uninteresting first-round football matchup?

Who gives a flip about the "pmp and circumstance" surrounding the Gator Bowl? Especially if it's replaced by some system to bring about the crowning of a true national champion????

Really?? You'd rather have the "pomp and circumstance" of the friggin Gator Bowl instead of a playoff system???

 

[HailToMichigan]

it's truly idiotic and a terrible argument if you don't think a playoff system and bowl games can coincide together. We already have a National Championship BCS game, yet every other bowl game still gets TV rights and sponsors.

To think ESPN would quit showing minor bowl games b/c of a playoff, and corporate sponsors would back off of games b/c of a playoff system is just silly.

I mean most of it is geographical anyways, knowing visiting fans want a December vacation. You think San Diego and San Antonio will say "fuck a bowl game now that theres a playoff system". Get a clue, seriously. Theres always a market for tradition programs to play tradition programs, and small schools who don't always get bowl games.

I don't mean to be rude. But it's just too obvious.

But do you throw out the upper bowls that the best teams are no longer going to, or do you incorporate them into the playoffs? Mili's usual proposal as I understand it is to play everything but the championship game at a home stadium. So what happens to the Rose Bowl? Do they take Iowa-UCLA instead? Or does it just disappear and the Poinsettia Bowl gets to stay on? If you go with Mili, it's a surefire thing that bowls will be sacrificed. There won't be enough eligible teams to fill them, unless you'd like to add the 5-7 teams. Sweet, we can watch Washington State take on Wyoming as both teams' reward for their total suckitude.

Of course, you could always incorporate the bowls into the playoff. Let the #1 team in the nation win their way through the Holiday Bowl, the Gator Bowl, the Orange Bowl, and finally the Rose Bowl. And if you don't already know the HUGE logistical nightmare facing that scenario, I'm afraid we're going to have to let you off at the next stop.

 

[billmac91]

Something that hasn't been brought up either which should open more than a few eyes.

• On average take a guess what CBS pays for rights to the NCAA Tournament?

• Now take a guess what Fox pays for rights to a majority of the BCS games?

CBS paid 6 BILLION dollars for an 11 year contract to broadcast the NCAA Tournament. That averages out to about 545 million a year.

Fox pays 80 million a year for rights to BCS games.

NCAA BBALL Tournament selling for 545 mil a year vs. FOOTBALL at 80 mill a year currently.

Imagine a NCAA Football tournament. Football is undoubtedly the #1 sport in America and NCAA Football could sell a MONSTER contract to whoever bought rights to the tournament.

Saying the system won't change becuase of money is a myth. Those in charge have other agendas.

 

[billmac91]

But do you throw out the upper bowls that the best teams are no longer going to, or do you incorporate them into the playoffs? Mili's usual proposal as I understand it is to play everything but the championship game at a home stadium. So what happens to the Rose Bowl? Do they take Iowa-UCLA instead? Or does it just disappear and the Poinsettia Bowl gets to stay on? If you go with Mili, it's a surefire thing that bowls will be sacrificed. There won't be enough eligible teams to fill them, unless you'd like to add the 5-7 teams. Sweet, we can watch Washington State take on Wyoming as both teams' reward for their total suckitude.

Of course, you could always incorporate the bowls into the playoff. Let the #1 team in the nation win their way through the Holiday Bowl, the Gator Bowl, the Orange Bowl, and finally the Rose Bowl. And if you don't already know the HUGE logistical nightmare facing that scenario, I'm afraid we're going to have to let you off at the next stop.

I proposed my own system earlier in the thread where there was an 8 team playoff and only the first round was used for home teams. You can utilize bowls for the semi-final and championship games. If they decide not to do that, give the sponsors that currently are involved in those games a cut in the playoff system through advertising or whatever else they decide is fair.

Bottom line is a playoff would be a money monster and it would be the fairest way to settle the national champion.

Again, CBS pays 545 mill a year ro broadcast the NCAA BBALL Tourney while Fox pays 80 mill for a few football games.

Make a NCAA Football tournament and see what kind of numbers are thrown around.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Every goddamn bowl that thinks they're any damn thing at all has pomp and circumstance around it.

Your definition of "pomp and circumstance" is totally different from everyone else's...

 

[schwab]

Something that hasn't been brought up either which should open more than a few eyes.

• On average take a guess what CBS pays for rights to the NCAA Tournament?

• Now take a guess what Fox pays for rights to a majority of the BCS games?

CBS paid 6 BILLION dollars for an 11 year contract to broadcast the NCAA Tournament. That averages out to about 545 million a year.

Fox pays 80 million a year for rights to BCS games.

NCAA Touraments selling for 545 mil a year vs. FOOTBALL at 80 mill a year currently.

Imagine a NCAA Football tournament. Football is undoubtedly the #1 sport in America and NCAA Football could sell a MONSTER contract to whoever bought rights to the tournament.

Saying the system won't change becuase of money is a myth. Those in charge have other agendas.

C'mon now, Bill, you must be joking! :tongue2: You mean there is money to be made in other ways than sponsoring Indiana's first bowl game in my fucking lifetime? No shit....hmmm...sounds like some heads are so far UP some asses that the ear ain't doing shit but flappin mud....

OK, we take the top 16 and have a playoff. Thats 15 games...EMERGENCY ALERT...Why is the Red Light flashing? We usually let around 60 teams play a bowl game. What HailtoscUM and others would have you believe is that more than 2 or 3 of those bowl games matter in the first place. That sound you hear screeching down the street is the pomp and circumstance of the lesser tier bowls. [sarcasm]Which matters, of course, because once again we would rather have half of the teams end their season with a win. Makes for happy alumni, and isn't that what it's all about?[/sarcasm] The minor league NFL system, and we play YMCA rules when the season is over....SWEEEEEEET.....

 

[HailToMichigan]

Something that hasn't been brought up either which should open more than a few eyes.

• On average take a guess what CBS pays for rights to the NCAA Tournament?

• Now take a guess what Fox pays for rights to a majority of the BCS games?

CBS paid 6 BILLION dollars for an 11 year contract to broadcast the NCAA Tournament. That averages out to about 545 million a year.

Fox pays 80 million a year for rights to BCS games.

NCAA Touraments selling for 545 mil a year vs. FOOTBALL at 80 mill a year currently.

Imagine a NCAA Football tournament. Football is undoubtedly the #1 sport in America and NCAA Football could sell a MONSTER contract to whoever bought rights to the tournament.

Saying the system won't change becuase of money is a myth. Those in charge have other agendas.

CBS gets 63 games per postseason. Fox gets 5. Even under a 16-team playoff, there's only 15 games to go around.

CBS pays roughly $8.65 million per game, Fox pays $16 million per game. Even at that rate, the 15 games only adds up to about $240 million a year. Obviously, there's only one source of revenue for those TV companies: advertising. And you can only squash so many ad spots into one game, so the going rate is not suddenly going to skyrocket.

Keep in mind that no matter how much of the bowl system is kept, it will be diluted, if not outright destroyed. And how much do ESPN, NBC, Fox, and CBS pay to televise their respective bowls? You have to subtract a great deal of that from any additional revenue from a playoff TV contract.

 

[methomps]

But do you throw out the upper bowls that the best teams are no longer going to, or do you incorporate them into the playoffs? Mili's usual proposal as I understand it is to play everything but the championship game at a home stadium. So what happens to the Rose Bowl? Do they take Iowa-UCLA instead? Or does it just disappear and the Poinsettia Bowl gets to stay on? If you go with Mili, it's a surefire thing that bowls will be sacrificed. There won't be enough eligible teams to fill them, unless you'd like to add the 5-7 teams. Sweet, we can watch Washington State take on Wyoming as both teams' reward for their total suckitude.

Of course, you could always incorporate the bowls into the playoff. Let the #1 team in the nation win their way through the Holiday Bowl, the Gator Bowl, the Orange Bowl, and finally the Rose Bowl. And if you don't already know the HUGE logistical nightmare facing that scenario, I'm afraid we're going to have to let you off at the next stop.

Opening round(s) played at home field of higher ranked team. Semifinals and finals rotated amongst the Sugar, Rose, Orange, and Fiesta (with one bowl rotating out each year). The BCS currently takes 10 teams and sends them to 4 bowl sites (doubling up one of the four BCS bowls every year). A 6-team playoff would take 6 teams and use 3 BCS bowls. So, no, you won't have to dilute the lower bowls any more than they already are. No need for 7-loss teams. You would actually IMPROVE the lower bowls because you make 2 additional high-quality teams available for non-BCS bowl games.

 

[schwab]

Opening round(s) played at home field of higher ranked team. Semifinals and finals rotated amongst the Sugar, Rose, Orange, and Fiesta (with one bowl rotating out each year). The BCS currently takes 10 teams and sends them to 4 bowl sites (doubling up one of the four BCS bowls every year). A 6-team playoff would take 6 teams and use 3 BCS bowls. So, no, you won't have to dilute the lower bowls any more than they already are. No need for 7-loss teams.

But it just makes too much sense......

 

[HailToMichigan]

I proposed my own system earlier in the thread ....

Aha. Problem number 1 with the playoff. Everyone's got their own idea. Need to figure out:

- Number of teams
- How to determine eligibility
- Where to play the games
- How, if at all, to incorporate the bowls
- How to determine seeding
- How to split the money (and where it's coming from)
- When to play the games

And so much more.

It's so easy to sit back and say "YAR we need a playoff BCS SUX!!!" It's much harder, isn't it, to devise a system that truly fixes the problem and addresses all concerns? Everyone thinks their own system is so perfect, and won't hear otherwise.

 

[billmac91]

CBS gets 63 games per postseason. Fox gets 5. Even under a 16-team playoff, there's only 15 games to go around.

CBS pays roughly $8.65 million per game, Fox pays $16 million per game. Even at that rate, the 15 games only adds up to about $240 million a year. Obviously, there's only one source of revenue for those TV companies: advertising. And you can only squash so many ad spots into one game, so the going rate is not suddenly going to skyrocket.

Keep in mind that no matter how much of the bowl system is kept, it will be diluted, if not outright destroyed. And how much do ESPN, NBC, Fox, and CBS pay to televise their respective bowls? You have to subtract a great deal of that from any additional revenue from a playoff TV contract.

Simple question.

What event draws the largest televised audience every year and charges the most money per 30 seconds for advertising?

63 BBALL games does equate to a College Football playoff.

Think about how huge the NFL is on a global basis. Why does the NCAA fuck itself out of global expansion with a crappy post-season? People over-seas and in Canada don't give a shit about the Rose Bowl. They just want playoff sports. It's amazing over in England they know all about the New England Patriots but are lost when it comes to college football.

I guess the above is a tangent foir another topic, but the facts remain, there is more than enough money to be made on a playoff system for the best sport, hands down, in the world.