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8-team CFP means 3 playoff games for 2 teams and 2 for two others. I don't see the problem. There will be a lot of regular season games that will matter more when a team isn't eliminated just for losing 1 game. I feel like a P5 team deserves to be part of the CFP when they win their conference championship. Regionalizing the CFP isn't at all good for the sport.
Auto bids are the fastest and surest way to diminish the regular season. You instantly open the door for OSU to have the East locked up before The Game and have to rest starters before the game that now actually matters, the B1G CCG.

Jwins is 100% correct, playoffs come at the expense of regular season and vice versa. You can’t have both.
 
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I guess I'm in the minority. For me, the body of work over the course of a season means a hell of a lot more than putting together a 3 game run.

Villanova 1985 went 1 - 2 against Georgetown. Yet somehow Villanova ended up "better"
Counterpoint: teams should have a chance to improve as the season progresses and not be eliminated from title contention because they weren't a well-oiled machine the first week of September. Every team's season is meaningless after they lose 1-2 games, and that makes a lot of programs perpetually irrelevant that don't always have to be.
 
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Auto bids are the fastest and surest way to diminish the regular season. You instantly open the door for OSU to have the East locked up before The Game and have to rest starters before the game that now actually matters, the B1G CCG.

Jwins is 100% correct, playoffs come at the expense of regular season and vice versa. You can’t have both.
I don’t care about 95% of college football teams now because I know they're no threat for the postseason championship. I would argue that the way the sport is right now is diminishing it a whole heck of a lot.
 
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Counterpoint: teams should have a chance to improve as the season progresses and not be eliminated from title contention because they weren't a well-oiled machine the first week of September. Every team's season is meaningless after they lose 1-2 games, and that makes a lot of programs perpetually irrelevant that don't always have to be.
At the expense of teams that were well oiled machines?

You want mulligans, watch golf
 
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The ncaa basketball tournament is entertaining. It doesn't elicit the best team in college basketball

In any given cfb season there are 2 and maybe 3 teams that are deserving of a shot at being named the best team.

For all the flack the bcs got, it was pretty good at finding 2 teams with a legitimate claim to an opportunity to prove it. But in no season has the number 7 team been in a position to argue it "deserved" a shot

Playoffs/tournaments are not designed to find the best team.
 
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Or the SEC, right? Their best teams regularly get the privilege of being able to lose a game and be in, I don't see a lot of complaints about their teams being undeserving. Losing one game isn't some kind of end-all argument against a team being included, and it never has been.
Conflating bias of a monopoly with this argument misses the point

That said, ESPN isn't going away
 
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The ncaa basketball tournament is entertaining. It doesn't elicit the best team in college basketball

In any given cfb season there are 2 and maybe 3 teams that are deserving of a shot at being named the best team.

For all the flack the bcs got, it was pretty good at finding 2 teams with a legitimate claim to an opportunity to prove it. But in no season has the number 7 team been in a position to argue it "deserved" a shot

Playoffs/tournaments are not designed to find the best team.
I would say whichever team wins the NCAA tournament is a true national champion and clearly has earned the championship. At some level it is a self-fulfilling prophecy to exclude entire power conferences based on the assumption that they aren't as good and never give them a real chance to prove you wrong. The results may not change much with expansion, but the fact that most teams never have a real chance to compete on the field to start with doesn't do anything to help the sport at all.
 
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Continuing to make sure that kids from all power conferences don't even have a chance to compete for the national title if they lose one game, even very early in the season, is not a positive.
If we expand to 8 teams, then the system will be unfair to team #9 ... if we expand to 12 teams, then the system will be unfair to team #13 ... if we expand to 16 teams, then the system will be unfair to team #17 ... might as well just let all the P5 schools make the playoffs.
The basic format of the postseason is heavily flawed when you're excluding at least one P5 conference champ (usually 2 and sometimes 3) from the CFP every year.
Your point would be stronger if all of the P5 conferences were at least somewhat equal in strength. The reconstituted Big XII (after Texas and Oklahoma bolt to the SEC) will be: Baylor; Brigham Young; Central Florida; Cincinnati; Houston; Iowa State; Kansas; Kansas State; Oklahoma State; Texas Christian; Texas Tech; West Virginia. Please don't try to convince me that that pile of garbage deserves the same playoff consideration as the SEC or Big Ten.

And what's the big deal about conference champs, anyway? We will eventually see a 7-5 team upset an 11-1 team in a conference championship game. Does anyone want to see that conference champ in a playoff?
I believe that there are usually 5 or 6 teams that put themselves in a position where it seems plausible for them to be in the playoff based on their performance over the course of the season. You say that 4 teams are more than enough, but I remember 2015 when OSU lost 1 game in a rainstorm, literally trailed for 0 seconds the entire season, and yet it was a foregone conclusion that they didn't deserve to make the playoff because other teams won their conference and didn't lose more than 1 game.
Take care of your business, play better, don't lose, etc. The playoffs will always be "unfair" to the teams that don't make it (see above).
The whole point of the playoff is to settle it on the field and remove the debate.
The playoffs are inherently "unfair" to the teams that don't make it. TCU still thinks that they got screwed in 2014, same for UCF in 2017. Nothing will ever be settled on the field to the satisfaction of everybody.

And in reality, adding more teams actually makes it less likely that a champion will be settled on the field and that debate will be removed. A #8 (or #12 or #16) seed has a fairly good chance of upsetting #1 seed, but very little chance (if any) to score three (or four) straight upsets and win an NC. A lucky upset that removes a serious contender makes it easier for the other contenders to win a title, which is kind of the opposite of settling it on the field, and definitely increases doubt about who was the best team.
The fact that there are blowouts can't be avoided, but you can easily plan to avoid excluding entire regions of the country for a chance at the national championship.
Why would anyone care about excluding entire regions of the country from the playoffs? I mean, if you really want to "settle it on the field" (as you stated above), then you should want the best teams from wherever, not a geographical mix.
I think 8 would be just about perfect.
Team #9 vehemently disagrees with this position.
 
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"Settled on the field"

December 4, 2021 - Alabama 41 - Georgia 24

:shrug:

The BCS produced "true national champions" Hell, the former process of electing the prom queen produce "true national champions" as well in all but a couple instances (say, BYU 1984). I agree that a tournament is a legitimate way to crown a champion, but it's not inherently better at doing so.
 
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I don’t care about 95% of college football teams now because I know they're no threat for the postseason championship. I would argue that the way the sport is right now is diminishing it a whole heck of a lot.

It a personal thing then by this argument. I never have cared about 95% of the other teams and The Game means everything to me. Always has and always will until it starts to look like week 18 in the NFL where teams are resting starters and the like.

I guess I'd need more of a definition of what you think is currently wrong with the sport, the "diminishing", and how a playoff helps solve that to offer any opinion on that part of it.
 
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If we expand to 8 teams, then the system will be unfair to team #9 ... if we expand to 12 teams, then the system will be unfair to team #13 ... if we expand to 16 teams, then the system will be unfair to team #17 ... might as well just let all the P5 schools make the playoffs.

Seems like an argument for simply naming a national champion at the end of the season without any playoff/championship games. I'm okay with that, but then what will be the process for identifying the champion? Point being, no matter what the process is, someone will say it's unfair. But that doesn't mean it really is unfair.
 
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