College Football Playoff (2016-2017 Season)

[Thump]

This doesn't...um...sound good?

Maybe they see a wide margin.

 

[scarletmike]

Maybe they see a wide margin.

Yeah, that's evidently what that means. This article gives a lot more context for the quote.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...tate-isnt-even-close-to-ohio-state-right-now/

 

[DiamondBuck]

So Washington's best win is against #22 Utah. Impressive. Unless Utah beats Colorado, they'll more than likely drop out of the rankings after next week, as will WSU if Washington beats them. That would result in Washington having just two top-25 wins if they beat either USC or Colorado in the Pac12 championship game.

 

[shiloh]

The eye test, the frickin' eye test!

Draft Order:

1. Joey Bosa: No. 3 overall, first round, San Diego Chargers

2. Ezekiel Elliott: No. 4 overall, first round, Dallas Cowboys

3. Eli Apple: No. 10 overall, first round, New York Giants

4. Taylor Decker: No. 16 overall, first round, Detroit Lions

5. Darron Lee: No. 20 overall, first round, New York Jets

6. Michael Thomas: No. 47 overall, second round, New Orleans Saints

7. Vonn Bell: No. 61 overall, second round, New Orleans Saints

8. Adolphus Washington: No. 80 overall, third round, Buffalo Bills

9. Braxton Miller: No. 85 overall, third round, Houston Texans

10. Nick Vannett: No. 94 overall, third round, Seattle Seahawks

11. Joshua Perry: No. 102 overall, fourth round, San Diego Chargers

12. Cardale Jones: No. 139 overall, fourth round, Buffalo Bills.

13. Jalin Marshall: Undrafted

14: Tyvis Powell: Undrafted

15: Chase Farris: Undrafted

Obviously NFL analysts/experts thought the Buckeyes were the best team in the country er had the most talent last year. Did they make the (4) team playoff? No.

So can "we" just put the eye test to bed er bury the frickin' eye test!

woulda ~ coulda ~ shoulda

I yield back the balance of my time ...

 

[KOBuckeye]

So Washington's best win is against #22 Utah. Impressive. Unless Utah beats Colorado, they'll more than likely drop out of the rankings after next week, as will WSU if Washington beats them. That would result in Washington having just two top-25 wins if they beat either USC or Colorado in the Pac12 championship game.

That conference championship tho

 

[Jaxbuck]

This debate in general is funny to me (not the people here, just in general). Every major professional sport I can think of identified, and solved, this conundrum years ago.

The conference champions aren't always the best teams. Sometimes a team wins the championship and has lost a few games along the way. On the other hand, winning a conference should matter or why are you playing?

They solved this seemingly incomprehensible puzzle with a thing called the "wild card".

Only because CFB has been in the dark ages for so long in the way it crowned a champion is this even a fucking question in this day and age.

1. Expand your stupid ass system to 8 teams.
2. P5 conference champs get an auto bid.
3. Pick 3 wildcards based on whatever criteria you want (ND twats can only ever get a WC until they join a conference).
4. Organize it however the fuck (homefield, seeding system, rotating Bowl sites, regional matchups etc) the fans like the most after a few years of tweaking and feedback
5. Play it off
6. Profit

I mean fuck me running. Watching Mensa candidates like Kanel, Galloway, Herbstreit et al go on and on about this is just too much to bear. It's like listening to 4-5 dumbasses at the bar argue over "dial up or broadband?"...in 2016.

 

[jwinslow]

Screw alleged balance, fairness and equality. I want every game to mean everything to everyone.

More teams doesn't equal a better champion, it equals a better tournament at the expense of the games before it.

I don't want bama to have to lose a third time before America can actually celebrate their possible but not certain dismissal . I don't want the pandemonium from late seaaon upsets to be replaced by tepid speed bumps as teams get tuned up and learn from their failures.

I want glorious, season defining carnage every week.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Screw alleged balance, fairness and equality. I want every game to mean everything to everyone.

More teams doesn't equal a better champion, it equals a better tournament at the expense of the games before it.

I don't want bama to have to lose a third time before America can actually celebrate their possible but not certain dismissal . I don't want the pandemonium from late seaaon upsets to be replaced by tepid speed bumps as teams get tuned up and learn from their failures.

I want glorious, season defining carnage every week.

I'm with you on that and argued against a playoff for years because I thought it would diminish the regular season. I think back over the past 2 years and so far this year and I cannot honestly say I have felt the regular season to be in any way, shape or form diminished.

By sheer dumb luck the CFP system has found, imo, the right inflection point where it's still in that 0-2 loss band.

I do not want to see great teams left out because they had 1 bad game but OTOH, don't want to see 3-4 loss teams backing their way in through a shitty conference.

My loosely proposed criteria would keep it to where you could survive one loss, maybe even a second in an odd year but that's about it. You still have to go like hell to win every game.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

I like where we are right now.. Just dont watch stupid selection shows.. that wasnt put on to be informative or reasonable or actually solve anything, it was put on to drive rating and create drama.. otherwise they wouldnt have spent 15 minutes arguing whether 3 loss USC deserves a chance.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I like where we are right now.. Just dont watch stupid selection shows.. that wasnt put on to be informative or reasonable or actually solve anything, it was put on to drive rating and create drama.. otherwise they wouldnt have spent 15 minutes arguing whether 3 loss USC deserves a chance.

I don't really care so much about the stupid show but where we are right now left a 1 loss OSU out last year. I'm not a fan of a "playoff" where a team can't lose once. This current method is really no different than the BCS or polls, expanded to 4 and actually playing each other head to head.

A real playoff, as defined by precedent in every other sport I can think of, is a mix of conference champions and some wild cards who get seeded and play it off through a bracket.

 

[jwinslow]

I don't really care so much about the stupid show but where we are right now left a 1 loss OSU out last year.

I don't think that team deserved a spot for playing well in the opener and finale and Clemsoning (or FSU14'ing) for most of the other 10 games. The ND game had not taken place yet.

I'm not a fan of a "playoff" where a team can't lose once. This current method is really no different than the BCS or polls, expanded to 4 and actually playing each other head to head.

A real playoff, as defined by precedent in every other sport I can think of, is a mix of conference champions and some wild cards who get seeded and play it off through a bracket.

The real problem is that the inevitable expansion is going to predate the last wave of conference expansion when one of the power 5 folds. So if they go to 8, they'll have 4 weeks of post-season football when you include the CCG of even larger conferences (as opposed to a B1G East team infrequently playing a competent West team that isn't really playoff material) When is that playoff taking place? Where are the scholarships coming from to handle that much physicality (trademark not peppers)?

 

[ScriptOhio]

What Did College Playoff Committee Chair Kirby Hocutt Have to Say About the Buckeyes?

The College Football Playoff rankings were released Tuesday evening and the Buckeyes remained at No. 2, as expected. Following the announcement, CFP Committee Chair Kirby Hocutt took part in a teleconference with the media. He had plenty to say, but we're just going to keep it Buckeye-centric here.

What follows are the questions and answers regarding the Buckeyes, as well as a bit of analysis as to each answer painstakingly extracted from the gentleman chair.

Let's begin.

Kirby, could you talk about the effect that Ohio State's close call against Michigan State had on their ranking this week? Obviously they didn't drop down, but I wondered if that changed the perception of Ohio State at all when you guys discussed it.

KIRBY HOCUTT: We did discuss it this week. It did not change our positioning in the rankings or within the Selection Committee room about Ohio State. They're an extremely talented football team. The committee continues to be impressed with their three wins over current CFP top-25 teams.

We were obviously aware of the conditions in which that game was played, but continue to be very impressed with Ohio State.

Analysis: The weather was bad, but nobody else in the top 10 was better.

Read all his comments: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...r-Kirby-Hocutt-Have-to-Say-About-the-Buckeyes

 

[Dryden]

Evidently the Committee views the two teams as on completely different levels.

As they should. I am sticking to what I've believed for two weeks.

OOC: Ohio State throttled Oklahoma on the road (needs no explanation) and Tulsa, which is currently 8-3 with the three losses being at Ohio State, by 7 points at Houston, and by 2 points at Navy. Tulsa should curb-stomp Cincinnati this weekend and end their regular season with 9 wins heading into a bowl. Penn State has that big revenge win over Temple and a loss to Pitt.

Cross-division: Ohio State beat Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Northwestern. Penn State beat Minnesota, Iowa, and Purdue.

In-division: Ohio State lost the head-to-head to Penn State on the road at night in a game they statistically controlled and never trailed until there was less than 5:00 remaining in the game. Penn State got their doors blown off by Michigan. Please spare me the "we had a bunch of injuries when we played Michigan" argument. Yeah, sure. Those injuries would make up a 39 points scoring margin? Who was Penn State missing that game? Lawrence Taylor, Junior Seau, and Tom Brady?

The resumes between the two are not remotely similar right now. And in the future, Ohio State has an opportunity to add a win against Michigan (whom Penn State lost to) to its resume, while the best Penn State can do is win a neutral site game against Wisconsin (whom Ohio State has already beat on the road). Even if Penn State wins the conference, their resumes still will not be remotely similar.

The committee uses the term "clusters" when they talk about ranking teams. There's usually a slam-dunk consensus #1 from Tuscaloosa, then there's a 2-5/6 cluster, and then there's a 7-12 cluster, and so on.

Right now, Ohio State is in the "beat Oklahoma in Norman" cluster while Penn State is in the "lost to Pitt" cluster, and what happens in the next two weeks of the season will not erase what happened in the first two weeks of the season.

 

[shiloh]

1. Expand your stupid ass system to 8 teams.
2. P5 conference champs get an auto bid.

Absolutely, positively disagree re: (8) teams ie Clemson 37 ~ Oklahoma 17 /// Alabama 38 ~ MSU 0. Picking (4) teams may be difficult, but "they" just have to use "their" best judgment in picking said four teams. Increasing the # of teams is not a solution as it just further dilutes the competition.

Having said this there is no perfect system regardless of number of teams. Humans are not/will never be perfect even though I'm pretty damn close.

And strongly disagree with 2. as well. Hypothetically, ped state could have lost all 3 non-conference games and lost to TTUN 49-10 and still make the B1G championship game. Simple solution to this problem. Always take the team w/the highest national ranking, if they have the same conference record, regardless.

The B1G should realize they may/will be screwing themselves in future years w/their ridiculous tie-breaker nonsense.

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btw, most everyone knew Sparty was gonna get annihilated. If last year proved anything the BCS wasn't so bad after all ie (2) teams.

 

[jwinslow]

The B1G should realize they may/will be screwing themselves in future years w/their ridiculous tie-breaker nonsense.

OSU losing to PSU is pretty much as clear cut as you can. Had Iowa not slain Harbaugh, they would have used your highest ranking suggestion.