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Cleveland There’s Always Next Years (2021 Season)

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It would be hilarious watching them trying to move though.

Good luck building a fan base anywhere else running the team how they do. They cant even keep a pretty loyal Cleveland fan base interested. It would be a absolute clown show watching them trying to keep interest after the "new thing in town" luster ran off.
 
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Flipped todays game on for a second to see them losing 10-0 in the 5th inning

This is the least interest I've had in this team in a long time. Even when they've been pretty bad before I could still follow along. The "starting pitching" makes it incredibly difficult to watch this year though. When you can pretty much count on whatever AAA lifer they toss out there getting shelled. There's no somewhat exciting prospects they are trying to break in either so yea, meh.
 
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NorthCoastKid said:
Ah, yes, the "pretty loyal fan base" that can't ever be bothered to show up. And, no, the Dolans selling won't result in an increase in ticket sales either.
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You forget the sellout streak? The Dolans took over and killed enthusiasm for the franchise. They bought a perennial winner and soon started tanking. The Bartolo Colon trade was the canary in the coal mine for the Dolans. For me, it was a heartbreaking trade because I loved the competitive spirit of the franchise, I felt like they were doing everything they could to try and win the World Series, and trading Colon back then was anti-competitive and makes fans realize you aren't trying your best to put a winner on the field. You can say it was a good trade value-wise, but you sacrifice an element of your fanbase when you trade your stars in their prime just because you won't pay them what it takes. Fans realize your priority is not winning, and turn away.
 
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DZ83CK said:
They bought a perennial winner and soon started tanking ... fans realize you aren't trying your best to put a winner on the field ... Fans realize your priority is not winning, and turn away.
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From 2013 to 2020, the Indians went 673-519 (.565 winning percentage), with no losing seasons and 5 playoff appearances. That doesn't seem like "tanking" to me.
 
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DZ83CK said:
You forget the sellout streak? The Dolans took over and killed enthusiasm for the franchise. They bought a perennial winner and soon started tanking. The Bartolo Colon trade was the canary in the coal mine for the Dolans. For me, it was a heartbreaking trade because I loved the competitive spirit of the franchise, I felt like they were doing everything they could to try and win the World Series, and trading Colon back then was anti-competitive and makes fans realize you aren't trying your best to put a winner on the field. You can say it was a good trade value-wise, but you sacrifice an element of your fanbase when you trade your stars in their prime just because you won't pay them what it takes. Fans realize your priority is not winning, and turn away.
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The streak was mostly about the Browns leaving and a perfect storm of other factors…I forget when exactly the Dolans bought the team, but there were plenty of signs of decline even before it really became noticeable.

And for me the sign of franchise apocalypse was trading back-to-back Cy Young winners. That pretty much indicated all I needed to see.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
From 2013 to 2020, the Indians went 673-519 (.565 winning percentage), with no losing seasons and 5 playoff appearances. That doesn't seem like "tanking" to me.
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Congrats on not losing forever? I was referring to how the franchise became a loser soon after they took over, which is what happened. It didn't take them very long to turn the direction of the franchise the wrong way. Obviously I don't respect the way the Dolans do business.

Playoff appearances can be misleading if you're getting there partly because your division stinks. The Tigers, Twins, Royals and White Sox have all had some bad-to-terrible years (and some of those franchises no good seasons at all) from 2016-2021, and in each of those years at least two of the AL Central teams ranked among the very worst teams in baseball.

Reality is that the number of seasons the franchise has been a true WS contender have been only a few since the Dolans took over 20 years ago. They took over a franchise that was legitimately trying to be the best, and decided almost immediately that trying to be the best in baseball isn't their goal.
 
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DZ83CK said:
You forget the sellout streak? The Dolans took over and killed enthusiasm for the franchise. They bought a perennial winner and soon started tanking. The Bartolo Colon trade was the canary in the coal mine for the Dolans. For me, it was a heartbreaking trade because I loved the competitive spirit of the franchise, I felt like they were doing everything they could to try and win the World Series, and trading Colon back then was anti-competitive and makes fans realize you aren't trying your best to put a winner on the field. You can say it was a good trade value-wise, but you sacrifice an element of your fanbase when you trade your stars in their prime just because you won't pay them what it takes. Fans realize your priority is not winning, and turn away.
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The Colon trade. Grady Sizemore.......one of the most tragic cases of the endless injury bug. Man was on a path to greatness.
 
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McKenzie has pitched 7 shutout innings vs the Angels today. He hasn't allowed a run over 15 innings from his last 2 starts, albeit against bad teams. He always looked difficult to hit, just needed to figure out how to improve his control and build strength & stamina to go deep into games. The silver lining of the injuries to Bieber and Civale is it forced Cleveland to give McKenzie a shot even though he struggled early in the season. McKenzie is looking like he the upside to be a top of rotation starter.
 
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... and after my post, McKenzie walked the leadoff hitter in the 8th, got lifted, and Bryan Shaw immediately came in and gave up a double and let the man who walked score. So ultimately McKenzie technically gave up a run today, but it was still 15 straight scoreless innings over two starts and it could easily have stayed that way.
 
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