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Thump;1661872; said:
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This year Cleveland takes the top spot in our third annual ranking of America's Most Miserable Cities. Cleveland secured the position thanks to its high unemployment, high taxes, lousy weather, corruption by public officials and crummy sports teams (Cavaliers of the NBA excepted).
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America's Most Miserable Cities 2010 - Yahoo! Real Estate

Any list that has Detroit at #4 and doesn't include Gary in the top 5 is without merit.

EDIT: Also, Chicago at #10? New York at 16? Are you kidding me? Talk about two of the great American cities. That list is preposterous.
 
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sepia5;1661885; said:
EDIT: Also, Chicago at #10? New York at 16? Are you kidding me? Talk about two of the great American cities. That list is preposterous.

You're telling me, that Chicago and NYC's unemployment are higher than Cleveland's?

Their weather sucks also like Cleveland's.
 
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Thump;1661887; said:
You're telling me, that Chicago and NYC's unemployment are higher than Cleveland's?

Their weather sucks also like Cleveland's.

Not sure what you're saying here, but my point is that it's preposterous to say that New York and Chicago--perhaps the two most international, diverse, interesting cities in America--are among the 20 most "miserable" cities in the US. No freakin' way.
 
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sepia5;1661888; said:
Not sure what you're saying here, but my point is that it's preposterous to say that New York and Chicago--perhaps the two most international, diverse, interesting cities in America--are among the 20 most "miserable" cities in the US. No freakin' way.


Did you even read the article?

Our Misery Measure takes into account unemployment, as well as eight other issues that cause people anguish. The metrics include taxes (both sales and income), commute times, violent crime and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. We also factored in two indexes put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that gauge weather and Superfund pollution sites. Lastly we considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each area as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice.
 
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Thump;1661889; said:
Did you even read the article?

Yea, I did, but I still don't understand your previous post, man. Are you saying that you think the unemployment rate in New York and Chicago are higher than Cleveland's? I really doubt that.

But on a broader level, the fact that New York and Chicago make the list say more about how retarded the criteria are than about how "miserable" New York and Chicago are. Millions upon millions of people flock to those cities because they're great, great cities. I mean, it ranks Chicago as more miserable than Gary. Huh? If your aim is to somehow quantify "miserableness," and the criteria you select lead you to rank Chicago and New York #10 and #16 respectively, you might want to reconsider your criteria. Especially when Detroit didn't come out on top.

EDIT: Ah, I think I see the confusion, Thump. You thought I was implying that Chicago and New York should be ranked ahead of Cleveland. In fact, I was only pointing out that it was ridiculous for either city to be in the top 20 at all.
 
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sepia5;1661891; said:
EDIT: Ah, I think I see the confusion, Thump. You thought I was implying that Chicago and New York should be ranked ahead of Cleveland. In fact, I was only pointing out that it was ridiculous for either city to be in the top 20 at all.


No, I was implying based on their measurements, I can see how those two cities made the list. Especially in regards to traffic, weather, and corruption.

I will tell you one thing that Cleveland and Gary have in common, both of their professional football teams have the same amount of Super Bowl appearances.
 
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sepia5;1661891; said:
Yea, I did, but I still don't understand your previous post, man. Are you saying that you think the unemployment rate in New York and Chicago are higher than Cleveland's? I really doubt that.

But on a broader level, the fact that New York and Chicago make the list say more about how retarded the criteria are than about how "miserable" New York and Chicago are. Millions upon millions of people flock to those cities because they're great, great cities. I mean, it ranks Chicago as more miserable than Gary. Huh? If your aim is to somehow quantify "miserableness," and the criteria you select lead you to rank Chicago and New York #10 and #16 respectively, you might want to reconsider your criteria. Especially when Detroit didn't come out on top.

EDIT: Ah, I think I see the confusion, Thump. You thought I was implying that Chicago and New York should be ranked ahead of Cleveland. In fact, I was only pointing out that it was ridiculous for either city to be in the top 20 at all.

New York is great to visit but kinda sucks to live in - Especially if you don't like paying outrageous income taxes.

Anyway, any list that doesn't include Dayton isn't a list worth looking at. There's a reason the now former mayor of Dayton used to be a mortician because the city is DEAD.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1661919; said:
New York is great to visit but kinda sucks to live in - Especially if you don't like paying outrageous income taxes.

Anyway, any list that doesn't include Dayton isn't a list worth looking at. There's a reason the now former mayor of Dayton used to be a mortician because the city is DEAD.

Yea, my home town of Dayton belongs, sad as it is for me to say that. I get depressed just going home to visit family.

Your point on New York is well taken. It's definitely not a city for everyone. But millions of people love living there for all it has to offer. Could I live there forever? Probably not, but I think it would be a blast to live in NYC for a few years.

But come on, this list is preposterous. Let's take a poll. Who thinks they'd be more miserable living in Chicago than in Gary? Anyone?
 
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sepia5;1661888; said:
Not sure what you're saying here, but my point is that it's preposterous to say that New York and Chicago--perhaps the two most international, diverse, interesting cities in America--are among the 20 most "miserable" cities in the US. No freakin' way.

Were you listening to The Thump's story? There is a political corruption component. That alone would elevate Chicago into the top 10 even if they scored perfectly on everything else.:biggrin:
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1662230; said:
Were you listening to The Thump's story? There is a political corruption component. That alone would elevate Chicago into the top 10 even if they scored perfectly on everything else.:biggrin:

Hey, if you're so miserable, why not move to Gary? It just barely snuck into the top 20. It's only like half as miserable as Chicago!
 
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