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Cleveland Indians Thread of Malaise (2014 Season)

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ScriptOhio said:
Was Chief Wahoo named after Allie Reynolds?

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It’s about the history of the Chief Wahoo mascot, and it uncovers a number of intriguing little nuggets that even a guy fixated on Wahoo like I am hadn’t heard before.

Most specifically the origin of the caricature and its name. Which are two separate things, according to Ricca. He notes that, while the accepted story has come to be that Bill Veeck commissioned a young artist to draw up Wahoo as a mascot, a Cleveland Plain-Dealer cartoonist had been using a profoundly similar character as a form of illustrated box score for some 15 years before that. Click through to see the examples.

The name is more interesting. The newspaper version was not named Chief Wahoo and neither was Veeck’s until at least 1952. But that name had come to be used, again, by the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, to describe someone else. A real person this time: former Indians pitcher and then-current Yankees star Allie Reynolds. Reynolds was a Creek Indian and was far more famously known by the nickname “Super Chief,” but Plain-Delaer reporters often referred to him as “Chief Wahoo” when he made return visits to Cleveland as a member of the Yankees:

A surprising nickname for Reynolds’ appears on October 6, 1950 in his old local paper, the Plain Dealer. Under the title of “Chief Wahoo Whizzing,” Reynolds fans learn that “Allie (Chief Wahoo) Reynolds, the copper-skinned Creek” lost to Philadelphia, but “in the clutches, though, the Chief was a standup gent—tougher than Sitting Bull.”

The Yankees are always big baseball news (even in Cleveland), but Reynolds especially garnered a lot of coverage in his old town. In subsequent articles, he is called “Chief Wahoo,” “old Wahoo,” and just plain “Wahoo.”

Later, it came to be used derisively. Reynolds was traded away from Cleveland when Bob Feller came back from the war and there was no room in the rotation. Get a load of this:

The name “Chief Wahoo” also appeared in the popular Cleveland sports column “The Sports Trail” by Jimmy Doyle. On May 25, 1951, Doyle writes that “It’s great to see Bob Feller show how he’s mastered that old pitching know how” and signs it “Chief Wahoo’s-this” as a possible parting shot against the departed Reynolds.

Entire article: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/20/was-chief-wahoo-named-after-allie-reynolds/
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Thanks for posting that Script! Here's the original article that the hardballtalk article is based on: http://beltmag.com/secret-history-chief-wahoo/
Best article I've seen on Wahoo, regardless of whether you love or hate him.
 
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As players, if they want the fans back, don't get swept by the first-place Tigers in a weekend series where over 100,000 of those same fans came to watch you play. As executives, draft better, make smarter trades and spend more money, but do it wisely.

Use a No.1 pick to draft a pitcher like Nagy and watch him win 129 games as an Indian. Find a forgotten player on another team's roster as Lofton was in Houston and steal him. Make a blockbuster trade like the one that brought Alomar and Baerga to Cleveland for Joe Carter. Pull a ski mask over your head and acquire Vizquel, whose next Hall of Fame ceremony might be located in Cooperstown, N.Y., from Seattle for Reggie Jefferson and Felix Fermin.

The fans are out there. They can be won back, but mediocrity on the field and in the executive offices won't do it.
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One of the best columns Hoynsie has done.


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http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2014/06/want_to_make_cleveland_a_baseb.html
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Last nights game was classic tribe [Mark May]tery

I think this is where they fall totally into the hole when they get whipped around by an awful Arizona team.
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I expected that anyway...for some reason a lot of good teams get the shit beat out of them if they go out there for one series...since the Indians are well below those, this combined with their last winless road trip didn't exactly amount to a shock :lol:
 
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Native American group plans to file federal lawsuit against Cleveland Indians over Chief Wahoo logo

The red block letter C for Cleveland seems to be replacing Chief Wahoo outside Progressive Field. But not everyone sees it that way.

Robert Roche is the director of the American Indian Education Center and one of the plaintiffs planing to file a federal lawsuit in late July against the Cleveland Indians.

The group says the team's name and the Chief Wahoo logo are racist.

The group wants a lot of money to help Native Americans with education, job training and housing.

"We're going to be asking for $9 billion and we're basing it on a hundred years of disparity, racism, exploitation and profiteering," Roche said.

"If just a small amount of people are against it, than I think you're doing a disservice to people that like it," said Bob Rosen.

Rosen is president of the Wahoo Club. Rosen said he sees only a few protesters on Opening Day, but thousands of Indians fans embrace Chief Wahoo as a friendly, loyal symbol

"I'm not insensitive to the issue, but our 1,650 members of the Wahoo Club, anytime we have a Wahoo Club item they but it up they love it," Rosen said.

Entire article: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-...ainst-cleveland-indians-over-chief-wahoo-logo

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...ainst-the-cleveland-indians-over-chief-wahoo/
 
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