Cleveland Indians (official 2012 season)

[Magua]

because one guy had been hammering you all night long and the other has had all of two at bats and zero hits in the past week, plus you have a guy that's been owning right handed hitters on the mound. pretty obvious decision actually.

Yeah, pretty obvious decision and Acta didn't make it correctly IMO. I said it before he crushed a fucking 3 run homer, and everyone else said it after he crushed a 3 run homer.

Sorry, I'd rather be throwing against Moreland with 1 runner on than Beltre with 2 runners on. Beltre is plenty healthy enough to swing the bat - it's running the outfield why they kept him out of the starting lineup until they needed an at bat late.

But...agree to disagree. I see what you are saying and I understand how one can come to that conclusion - i'm just not one of them.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Weather delay in the second game with Tribe up 2-1 in top of the 8th...

 

[SCBuck13]

Sipp just got away with one. Flowers cranked what would've been a 2-run homer, but it hooked fouled by a foot.

Then he gets the K to end the game. Roll Tribe!

 

[y0yoyoin]

sipp with the close...he almost gave up a bomb but made it thru...i figured the reason hagadone got the save was because he was saving perez for the 2nd game but that was not the case

 

[JCOSU86]

Taking 2 out of 3 from Texas (and Darvish) and then the hated White Sox...

Tribe fever...Catch it!

 

[buckeyemania11]

I'm cautiously optimistic.....to me this team looks like they have more staying power than last years team

last year everything seemed to go right at the start, this year there are flaws but they are still getting it down (even though ugly at times)

2/3 from the Rangers and a DH sweep of the White Sox is awesome, hopefully they finish off this series with another series win.

 

[tsteele316]

Yeah, pretty obvious decision and Acta didn't make it correctly IMO. I said it before he crushed a fucking 3 run homer, and everyone else said it after he crushed a 3 run homer.

Sorry, I'd rather be throwing against Moreland with 1 runner on than Beltre with 2 runners on. Beltre is plenty healthy enough to swing the bat - it's running the outfield why they kept him out of the starting lineup until they needed an at bat late.

But...agree to disagree. I see what you are saying and I understand how one can come to that conclusion - i'm just not one of them.

every manager in the bigs plays the percentages. that's what happened here. otherwise you'd be walking albert pujols to pitch to matt kemp using your logic.

 

[Magua]

every manager in the bigs plays the percentages. that's what happened here. otherwise you'd be walking albert pujols to pitch to matt kemp using your logic.

You did not just compare Mitch Moreland to Pujols or Kemp - seriously? You are correct baseball is a game of percentages; so why walk a guy batting. 279 (.228 going into the CLE series) and 28 career HR's to pitch to a guy batting .315 and 315 career HRs?

Using my logic, I wouldn't have walked some bum no one's ever heard of to pitch to Matt Kemp. I'm not sure how you compared what actually happened to your Pujols/Kemp analogy.

 

[tsteele316]

You did not just compare Mitch Moreland to Pujols or Kemp - seriously? You are correct baseball is a game of percentages; so why walk a guy batting. 279 and 28 career HR's to pitch to a guy batting .315 and 315 career HRs?

so, despite the fact that pujols was hitting below .200 with 0 hrs coming into this week, you'd walk him because of what he did in seasons past? that's shoddy logic. sorry.

one guy was a lefty, and had been crushing all night. one guy was a righty, and hadn't had a base hit in a week, and only 2 at bats in the last 6 days.

you had your righty on the mound that had been destroying right handed bats for the past 2 weeks.

what beltre had done in seasons past is a totally useless barometer.

 

[Magua]

so, despite the fact that pujols was hitting below .200 with 0 hrs coming into this week, you'd walk him because of what he did in seasons past? that's shoddy logic. sorry.

one guy was a lefty, and had been crushing all night. one guy was a righty, and hadn't had a base hit in a week, and only 2 at bats in the last 6 days.

you had your righty on the mound that had been destroying right handed bats for the past 2 weeks.

what beltre had done in seasons past is a totally useless barometer.

Why are you even talking about Pujols? He is COMPLETELY irrelevant to this discussion. No, I wouldn't walk Pujols based on past accomplishments because this year he is hitting like shit. However, Beltre has been killing the ball all season long so I would NOT walk someone batting .228 at the time to pitch to Beltre even if .228 hitter had a couple hits already.

You're changing the situation to make your argument work when it has nothing to do with what happened the other night.

Simple as this: I would not walk a guy who to this point has not done much of anything in the major leagues to face a guy who has been killing the ball for years and is having one of his best seasons statistically in terms of batting average.

You can talk about only having 2 at bats that week and having a gimp leg but the guy crushed one to the wall the night before so it's not like he was swinging a toothpick.

Doesn't really matter. Beltre crushed a 3 run homer and we lost - basically proving my point.

 

[tsteele316]

Why are you even talking about Pujols? He is COMPLETELY irrelevant to this discussion. No, I wouldn't walk Pujols based on past accomplishments because this year he is hitting like shit. However, Beltre has been killing the ball all season long so I would NOT walk someone batting .228 at the time to pitch to Beltre even if .228 hitter had a couple hits already.

You're changing the situation to make your argument work when it has nothing to do with what happened the other night.

Simple as this: I would not walk a guy who to this point has not done much of anything in the major leagues to face a guy who has been killing the ball for years and is having one of his best seasons statistically in terms of batting average.

You can talk about only having 2 at bats that week and having a gimp leg but the guy crushed one to the wall the night before so it's not like he was swinging a toothpick.

Doesn't really matter. Beltre crushed a 3 run homer and we lost - basically proving my point.

so, historical content doesn't matter, until 2 sentences later, when it does matter.

bottom line is, the guy was on the pine for a week and in his pinch hit appearances did nothing. he was facing a guy that dominated right handed batters for 2 weeks running instead of pitching to a lefty that was smashing the ball that night.

beltre hitting a 3 run homer only proves your point if your point is that you want to use hindsight to bitch about the decision.

 

[Magua]

so, historical content doesn't matter, until 2 sentences later, when it does matter.

bottom line is, the guy was on the pine for a week and in his pinch hit appearances did nothing. he was facing a guy that dominated right handed batters for 2 weeks running instead of pitching to a lefty that was smashing the ball that night.

beltre hitting a 3 run homer only proves your point if your point is that you want to use hindsight to bitch about the decision.

The difference in historical data you're referencing though. Pujols is shit this year. Beltran is having one of his best seasons.

Take past data into account, you don't pitch to Beltre. Throw it out the window and guess what? You still don't pitch to Beltre. The ONLY reason anyone in their right mind does pitch to Beltre instead of Moreland is because Beltre hadn't been playing much due to injury - but again the only reason for that is because he can't run the outfield as well as they'd like him to and it's freaking May. He was absolutely healthy enough to crush one to the wall the night before, and over the wall the night of.

Anyways, I am done with this arguement because really it's a matter of opinion anyways. I can't argue with someone who wants to use Albert fucking Pujols in this discussion when it's completely irrelevant to begin with. Take career statistics, take seasonal statistics, whatever you want - they both point to pitching against Moreland instead of Beltre.

As for hindsight and bitching - I was bitching about the decision from the stands (which, by judging the attendance few have been) as soon as they threw Ball 1 to Moreland.

 

[tsteele316]

The difference in historical data you're referencing though. Pujols is shit this year. Beltran is having one of his best seasons.

Take past data into account, you don't pitch to Beltre. Throw it out the window and guess what? You still don't pitch to Beltre. The ONLY reason anyone in their right mind does pitch to Beltre instead of Moreland is because Beltre hadn't been playing much due to injury - but again the only reason for that is because he can't run the outfield as well as they'd like him to and it's freaking May. He was absolutely healthy enough to crush one to the wall the night before, and over the wall the night of.

Anyways, I am done with this arguement because really it's a matter of opinion anyways. I can't argue with someone who wants to use Albert fucking Pujols in this discussion when it's completely irrelevant to begin with. Take career statistics, take seasonal statistics, whatever you want - they both point to pitching against Moreland instead of Beltre.

As for hindsight and bitching - I was bitching about the decision from the stands (which, by judging the attendance few have been) as soon as they threw Ball 1 to Moreland.

so, if they would have pitched to moreland and he gapped another double you'd be able to come here and bitch about pitching to the guy that was crushing all night instead of going with the righty-righty matchup when you have a guy that hasn't played in a week, against one of the hottest bullpen arms and one of the best in the league against right handed hitters. oh, and you're talking about a guy that had never gotten a hit off of joe smith in his career. but, of course, that "historical" data would be of no use when you're using hindsight.

 

[buckeyemania11]

So much for this game

2-0 White Sox already, Masterson looking like shit again

 

[Whobebubba3]

So much for this game

2-0 White Sox already, Masterson looking like [Mark May] again

I disagree.....Masterson stuff has been NASTY as usual. He has more movement on his pitches then 99% of the pitchers in baseball (that is a scientifically proven stat!). Problem is, with that kind of movement, control becomes an issue. Anyhow, addressing this start, ground balls have found holes, that is baseball.