Cleveland Indians (2013 Season)

[Bucklion]

the bullpen consisted of perez and pestano.

being the least stinkiest turd of what's left doesn't make him good. he was bad this year, especially after AL hitters got to see him, and the farm actually has some bullpen arms. there was zero reason to keep him.

Not with this team it doesn't. We don't have starters that go 7 innings, and oftentimes they don't even go 6 innings. The only way this team can compete is with 4-6 competent bullpen guys. For most of the season, Rogers was that. For the Indians he was 3-1 with a 3.06 ERA in 44 games. He was much better than the revolving turdpile (Accardo, Wheeler, Barnes, Asencio, Hagadone, Sipp, R Perez) of 5-7 inning guys we had who couldn't get anyone out when it counted in a close game. I fail to see how he wasn't better than the crap we got back for him. But he's gone now, so I guess it doesn't matter.

 

[tsteele316]

Not with this team it doesn't. We don't have starters that go 7 innings, and oftentimes they don't even go 6 innings. The only way this team can compete is with 4-6 competent bullpen guys. For most of the season, Rogers was that. For the Indians he was 3-1 with a 3.06 ERA in 44 games. He was much better than the revolving turdpile (Accardo, Wheeler, Barnes, Asencio, Hagadone, Sipp, R Perez) of 5-7 inning guys we had who couldn't get anyone out when it counted in a close game. I fail to see how he wasn't better than the crap we got back for him. But he's gone now, so I guess it doesn't matter.

all you have to do is look at his career track. he wasn't good in the minors. he wasn't good for colorado. in fact, he was terrible. he had 2 decent months with cleveland. even so, during his cleveland tenure, even with a decent era at times, his whip and avg against was quite suspect during those months. every single metric points to his brief blip of mediocrity not being sustainable. getting something of value for him before he turns into fernando cabrera 2.0 is the smart move.

 

[Bucklion]

all you have to do is look at his career track. he wasn't good in the minors. he wasn't good for colorado. in fact, he was terrible. he had 2 decent months with cleveland. even so, during his cleveland tenure, even with a decent era at times, his whip and avg against was quite suspect during those months. every single metric points to his brief blip of mediocrity not being sustainable. getting something of value for him before he turns into fernando cabrera 2.0 is the smart move.

I am willing to listen to that, except they got nothing of value for him.

 

[tsteele316]

I am willing to listen to that, except they got nothing of value for him.

they got exactly what he was worth. most importantly, they got someone that can actually hit left handed pitching and isn't edward scissor hands in the field.

 

[LitlBuck]

they got exactly what he was worth. most importantly, they got someone that can actually hit left handed pitching and isn't edward scissor hands in the field.

The 31-year-old Aviles played in 136 games for Boston last season, batting .250 with 13 homers and 60 RBIs.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8587704/blue-jays-acquire-esmil-rogers-trade-cleveland-indians
So you're saying that this guy will be the DH or the new first-baseman for the Indians next year. If so, this is no big upgrade.

 

[bigdog3300]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8587704/blue-jays-acquire-esmil-rogers-trade-cleveland-indians
So you're saying that this guy will be the DH or the new first-baseman for the Indians next year. If so, this is no big upgrade.

.250 with 13 HR's? Heck, that's the best 1B production we've gotten in years! 13 dingers and remember our team lead last year was Santana with 18....for a rented bullpen arm it's a pretty solid pickup. What, you wanted more of Brent Lillibridge?

 

[LitlBuck]

.250 with 13 HR's? Heck, that's the best 1B production we've gotten in years! 13 dingers and remember our team lead last year was Santana with 18....for a rented bullpen arm it's a pretty solid pickup. What, you wanted more of Brent Lillibridge?

I stand corrected. I guess if he can hit like that for an entire season trading him for Rogers isn't that bad for a team like the Indians.

 

[tsteele316]

I stand corrected. I guess if he can hit like that for an entire season trading him for Rogers isn't that bad for a team like the Indians.

two other factors of note:

aviles' fWAR is 1.8, which basically makes him a slightly above average replacement player. not earth shattering. however, for a team that might be pondering trading astrubral, he's the kind of guy that is a perfect transition player until lindor is ready in 2 years.

secondly, esmil rogers is super 2 eligible after this year. so, in the off chance that he repeats his one half of a season from last year, which his career track record and metrics indicate is highly unlikely, it will cost cleveland some coin to keep him. for a team that pinches pennies, throwing out cash to your bullpen is not smart business. so really, selling "high" on him was probably the smart move, especially if they are going to deal cabrera.

 

[Zippercat]

two other factors of note:

aviles' fWAR is 1.8, which basically makes him a slightly above average replacement player. not earth shattering. however, for a team that might be pondering trading astrubral, he's the kind of guy that is a perfect transition player until lindor is ready in 2 years.

secondly, esmil rogers is super 2 eligible after this year. so, in the off chance that he repeats his one half of a season from last year, which his career track record and metrics indicate is highly unlikely, it will cost cleveland some coin to keep him. for a team that pinches pennies, throwing out cash to your bullpen is not smart business. so really, selling "high" on him was probably the smart move, especially if they are going to deal cabrera.

What kind of return do you think the Tribe can get for Cabby and his league leading error total?

 

[TheStoicPaisano]

This is the type of nothing trade that fuels talk in a long offseason. Rogers was the long man on a fourth place team, Aviles will be the utility guy on a fourth place team. If Yan can carve out a career rather than being the next Max Ramirez, he would be a good complementary part on a winning team. However, until this team gets some real no-doubt above-average players, the ceiling is 80-85 wins.

 

[NFBuck]

This is the type of nothing trade that fuels talk in a long offseason. Rogers was the long man on a fourth place team, Aviles will be the utility guy on a fourth place team. If Yan can carve out a career rather than being the next Max Ramirez, he would be a good complementary part on a winning team. However, until this team gets some real no-doubt above-average players, the ceiling is 80-85 wins.

That's awfully optimistic.

 

[Brutus1]

At least Aviles can hit lefties and bats over .300 in Progressive Field. He's got some pop, some speed and can play any of the infield positions. He's certainly an upgrade over any of the other infield turds and he's not a butcher with the glove.

 

[bigdog3300]

What kind of return do you think the Tribe can get for Cabby and his league leading error total?

Arizona gave up a pretty penny for a bum like Cliff Pennington....have to think he'd pull in a decent haul, they have a lot of good young SP's as well so it'd be a good fit.

 

[Zippercat]

(YAWN)

The Indians have signed infielder Luis Hernandez to a minor-league contract. Antonetti said Hernandez will be invited to spring training. Hernandez, who played two games with Texas last year, has spent time in the big leagues with Baltimore, Kansas City and the Mets.
"He's a good defensive player," said Antonetti.

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2012/11/grady_sizemore_looking_to_find.html

Has any team in MLB signed more utility infielders than the Tribe over the past 3 years?

 

[Bucklion]

Another guy who can't hit Kate Moss's weight. Do they know they are still in the American League? Oh wait, Hernandez couldn't stick in the National League either. Carry on, he's perfect for these bums. I am going to start a defensive utility infielder fantasy league next year, draft the entire Indian roster, and mop the fucking floor.