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Cleveland Indians (2011 Season)

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The Twins continue to be the worst team in baseball, I love it

swept by the Diamondbacks

I don't see a big run for them this year, they have been consistently awful....14.5 games back with a -86 run difference, the 2nd worst is the Astros with -51
 
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LitlBuck;1925881; said:
I would not move Santana to the #2 hole in the batting order. He is just taking too many pitches and is very unsure of himself. Moving him to the #2 slot would just mean that whoever we would put at #3 would be hitting with one out the majority of the times. If anything, I would drop him down to the #7 slot or not move him at all because the Indians are doing okay right where he is in the order. However, moving him to #7 would not be as damaging. He is just striking out way too much to be hitting high in the lineup.
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Actually, moving him to #2 and putting a bat worth a shit behind him should help him tremendously. He doesn't see good pitches with Shelly Duncan or whomever hitting behind him and he's not aggressive enough to go after anything but good pitches...evidenced by his high walk rate. We know he has a good enough eye (OB% around .350 with a .210 BA is pretty astounding). Give him some protection and see how he does.
 
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Buckeye513 said:
You're seeing Buchholz, Beckett, Lester, Price, Shields, and Hellickson.
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ERAs:

Buchholz- 3.42
Beckett- 1.73
Lester- 3.68
Price- 3.89
Shields- 2.00
Hellickson- 3.18

When David Price is the statistically worst player you're facing over the next 6 games, you're in trouble. No Hafner. No Grady. 3-3 seems like a miracle going into this stretch.

But that's why they play the games...and so far the Indians have played the game pretty damn well.
 
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LitlBuck;1925881; said:
The Reds make the Indians look like the Indians of 1948:) They are just a bad team. Don't know how they hang with St. Louis.

I would not move Santana to the #2 hole in the batting order. He is just taking too many pitches and is very unsure of himself. Moving him to the #2 slot would just mean that whoever we would put at #3 would be hitting with one out the majority of the times. If anything, I would drop him down to the #7 slot or not move him at all because the Indians are doing okay right where he is in the order. However, moving him to #7 would not be as damaging. He is just striking out way too much to be hitting high in the lineup.

White going down is a real bummer. We had a depth of starting pitching and now with him going down we are pretty slim and are stuck with Carrasco who is only a five inning pitcher.

I guess we should enjoy it while we are winning. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next 10 days when we play the Red Sox, Tampa Bay, and the Jays. That will tell a big story about this team.
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The Reds hand with StL because unlike most of the NL... they score runs.

As to Santana... I would think the #3 hitter already bats "the majority of the time with one out" having said that... as noted by others... his OBP isn't bad at all, he draws a LOT of walks. Though, on the other hand, I don't know that him being protected or not is really going to make that big of a difference. Him being more aggressive is really the key here, I think he sees plenty of good pitches... at least enough to hit .250.

The White thing blows, but, not on a Hafner/Sizemore level. Arms we've got. Question is can we score enough runs to get through the next few weeks in decent shape.
 
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AKAKBUCK;1926069; said:
The Reds hand with StL because unlike most of the NL... they score runs.

As to Santana... I would think the #3 hitter already bats "the majority of the time with one out" having said that... as noted by others... his OBP isn't bad at all, he draws a LOT of walks. Though, on the other hand, I don't know that him being protected or not is really going to make that big of a difference. Him being more aggressive is really the key here, I think he sees plenty of good pitches... at least enough to hit .250.

The White thing blows, but, not on a Hafner/Sizemore level. Arms we've got. Question is can we score enough runs to get through the next few weeks in decent shape.
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the biggest problem with santana is his approach with 2 strikes. he doesn't shorten up his swing and hit for contact with 2 strikes.

it is rumored that grady will be back for the weekend series in tampa. talbott may be back and making a start this week as well, so cleveland's starting rotation isn't in total disarray.
 
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santana is a cleanup hitter...just leave him there...it was working out fine when hafner was healthy and santana would get on base and hafner would clean house...2 years from now santana will not be hitting #2 so just keep him in the cleanup spot and let him develop there
 
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y0yoyoin;1926085; said:
santana is a cleanup hitter...just leave him there...it was working out fine when hafner was healthy and santana would get on base and hafner would clean house...2 years from now santana will not be hitting #2 so just keep him in the cleanup spot and let him develop there
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And... there is something to be said for the fact that we're (I think... ) about 4th in MLB in runs scored, so something is working... and.. while it's not wat you usually think of... the point about the .350 OBP is true... and I don't have time to look it up, but, I'm sure there's some value "Sabermetrically" about leaving him in that spot vs. others.

Now in a completely unscientific point (compared to the mostly unscientific point jsut made) is that if Wedge were still Manager, every combination of lineups we've described in the last few pages would have been already tried and subsequently discarded after one game.

So, to be honest, I'm kind of ok with the, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach.
 
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AKAKBUCK;1926145; said:
So, to be honest, I'm kind of ok with the, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach.
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DING DING DING!!! We have a winner.

If it ain't broke... don't fix it. It's not like we have someone else on the team that screams cleanup hitter. So leave it be.

Now, if we could get a legit cleanup hitter at the trade deadline that's a different story :wink2:
 
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