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mattynokes said:
Seems odd to me to fire Stefanski, but keep Berry. I get it, there has to be a scapegoat for truck stop Jimmy, but they've been in Cleveland the same amount of time. Fire 'em all and start fresh or keep them for another year. Otherwise, I think it sends the message that a better HC could have won more with the same roster(s).
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Not to say Stefanski didn't need to go - I think he did for professional reasons. Don't turn him into Art Shell where he stays so long he can't get a job elsewhere.

But I totally agree with you - keeping Berry and getting rid of Stefanski should tell you everything you need to know about the Clowns. TEMU Jerruh is in charge and he's hellbent on getting his new stadium for a Super Bowl and a Wrestlemania, even if his team never plays a playoff game in it.

I wouldn't be shocked to see them hire a retread coach, Jim Schwartz fits that bill even though he's an excellent DC, trade Garrett and Ward and "rebuild" again sometime in the next 2-3 years.
 
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billmac91 said:
Could've had Mike Vrabel last year. Bypassed him, and will likely end up with a Todd Bowles or another retread.

Fantastic.
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I'm happy Vrabel didn't get stuck in this vortex of suck emanating out of Berea.

My only wish is any Buckeyes still on the roster are able to go elsewhere before the suck consumes them too.
 
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billmac91 said:
So you don’t want Caleb Downs with the #6 pick??

I’d love to take him, but agree it’s cruel to wish upon him.
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In the abstract - if he's the best guy available and fills a need, sure.

I personally believe they need to take the best offensive tackle available at whatever pick he's best valued at. If that means trading down, not too far of course, sure.

But yes, I'd rather not afflict him with the Browns. He seems like a good dude plus he's a Buckeye.
 
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mattynokes said:
Seems odd to me to fire Stefanski, but keep Berry. I get it, there has to be a scapegoat for truck stop Jimmy, but they've been in Cleveland the same amount of time. Fire 'em all and start fresh or keep them for another year. Otherwise, I think it sends the message that a better HC could have won more with the same roster(s).
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Keeping Berry yet firing Stefanski is so inadequate. I don't understand how Berry keeps his job. If you take him at his word, he was responsible for the Watson trade & contract, which is amongst the worst GM decisions in NFL history. Clearly the Watson trade & contract helped sink the Browns the past couple of years by removing 3 first round picks from the team, as well as putting a lousy/injured QB on the roster who got paid way too much. The Watson decisions alone should have already gotten Berry fired - perhaps the lack of firing of Berry is an indication that Haslam was ultimately pulling the strings on that move.

Nevertheless, Berry has done a very poor job of drafting offensive players - his hit rate on draft picks for offense is incredibly low. Fannin looks good, but let's hope he doesn't develop injury problems. Getting injured in Year 1 is never a good sign for the future. You can say Judkins was a good pick talent-wise, but IMO it wasn't a good pick, because although he's a legit NFL RB, the Browns couldn't block for him. Plus, RB in the NFL is a meat grinder, plug & play position that's heavily dependent on the ability of the OL to not suck, so it's more important to have a good OL. Then he drafted Gabriel (who projects as a career backup) in the 3rd round when they didn't have a good starter. The Browns have drafted one OL in the first round in the last 10 years, while the league has drafted 25% first-round OL in the past couple of drafts.

The lack of a running game, awful OL, and super shitty WR corps also made it next to impossible for the QB to be successful. It would literally have taken a league MVP-level performance from the QB to have made the playoffs this season, and obviously they didn't have that kind of play from the QB position. I don't know what kind of offense Stefanski could have coached out of these guys when the line was constantly failing. I don't even like picking defensive ROY Schwesinger in the 2nd round, because again LB is a meat-grinder position that doesn't have longevity and it's plug & play dependent on how well the team around them is doing - he also ended up injured at the end of the season. So Berry's "good" draft included low-value positions RB and LB in the second-round, positions they should have just filled through free agency and/or mid-round picks, while standing pat with the worst OL and WR corps in the league, and drafting a career backup QB in the 3rd round. While talent-wise last year's draft was solid, it didn't fit the real needs of the team.
 
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So, let me get this straight - you fire the head coach, but keep the GM that has handed him dog shit rosters for years? Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. The two times he had something resembling an NFL roster, he got you to the playoffs and even won a playoff game…and the other year was with the corpse of Joe Flacco. He will be a successful NFL coach elsewhere and I hope he drops 70 on the clowns whenever he plays them.

This organization is so derpfunctional, I don’t understand how anybody wastes their time or energy rooting for them at this point. Hell, I tapped out 13 years ago (Brandon Weeden draft pick). The troglodyte owner forced a trade for a sex pest qb who was NEVER going to succeed there and that trade set them back a decade at a minimum. Berry should be gone, too, but the reality is this organization is never…ever…winning anything with Jimmy fuckin’ Haslem as the owner. He’s a grifter and not a particularly smart or clever one at that. If I lived in Ohio and my tax money was going to build this crook a new stadium, I’d be FURIOUS. He’s on the Mount Rushmore of bad sports team owners.
 
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NFBuck said:
So, let me get this straight - you fire the head coach, but keep the GM that has handed him dog shit rosters for years? Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. The two times he had something resembling an NFL roster, he got you to the playoffs and even won a playoff game…and the other year was with the corpse of Joe Flacco. He will be a successful NFL coach elsewhere and I hope he drops 70 on the clowns whenever he plays them.

This organization is so derpfunctional, I don’t understand how anybody wastes their time or energy rooting for them at this point. Hell, I tapped out 13 years ago (Brandon Weeden draft pick). The troglodyte owner forced a trade for a sex pest qb who was NEVER going to succeed there and that trade set them back a decade at a minimum. Berry should be gone, too, but the reality is this organization is never…ever…winning anything with Jimmy fuckin’ Haslem as the owner. He’s a grifter and not a particularly smart or clever one at that. If I lived in Ohio and my tax money was going to build this crook a new stadium, I’d be FURIOUS. He’s on the Mount Rushmore of bad sports team owners.
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Not only that, Jerrah felt the need to say publicly that said GM will lead the search for a new coach.

Can’t make this shit up.
 
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