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Jagdaddy
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Yup. They've been wanting to redevelop the site for a long time. There are freight rail tracks though it, and they've been trying to work both local commuter rail and front range passenger rail through it and push for transit oriented development The neighborhoods developed around Coors Field have been successful despite the Rockies making the Reds look like the 1927 Yankees so they have a model to follow, although the Burnham Yard area is currently quite a bit more industrial in nature than the area around Coors Field was.
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exhawg
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Hindsight being 20/20, keeping Baker and giving him the contract Watson wasted would have been the better move. If the cards had fallen differently, I can't see the Browns paying a premium to keep Baker at QB, and his butthurt would have led him to sign somewhere else. I think he would have seen his Buc's contract of 100M over 3 years as insulting at that point.
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According to depth chart released today, Judkins now a starter.
That makes 5 Buckeyes starting for Clev....
Dawand Jones
Quinshon Judkins
Jerome Baker
Denzel Ward
Ronnie Hickman
That makes 5 Buckeyes starting for Clev....
Dawand Jones
Quinshon Judkins
Jerome Baker
Denzel Ward
Ronnie Hickman
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Buckeneye
I lead, you follow.
Of course this all well overlooks the poor physical and mental shape Baker showed up to camp just the year previous. Only to go bombs away on picks, bail from clean pockets at the highest rate in the NFL and get his ass kicked all year.
2019 and the coaching staff forced him to get into proper mental and physical conditioning because he was too immature to do it without those motivations.
2021 comes around and Baker makes some questionable decisions that lead to him getting hurt. Then, after the shoulder injury, proceeds to show that undisciplined and immature mindset from 2019 by not treating his rehab seriously (rumor) not being studious in the film room (rumor) and continues to make careless decisions with the ball. Magnified by the 4 turnover game against Green Bay, where he was also rumored to have spent hours and hours into the early morning playing Call of Duty or some other shit like that.
I will always maintain this throw is what ended Bakers tenure in CLE.
I broke this down 4 years ago and remember it vividly. It's a Yankee concept against cover 1. A read of the high safety. If the post is doubled, like it was, you take the over as your 2nd read then to the flat leak as your 3rd.
Baker spun this either blind or going full Rex Grossman and saying "fuck it, bombs away". But there isn't a single context where it's a good decision and this throw should have been made.
Because all the rumors really looked like they had some truth to them after you see shit like this.
Inexcusable. People have short memories. Just like George Bush's Presidency, fans are digging up corpses to posthumously glorify them when they have no business doing that.
Bakers greatness was SO immediate when he was excommunicated from CLE that teams desperate for QB play in Carolina and L.A. even said "no, thanks" after long looks at him.
Why? Because (at the time) he wasn't good enough to elevate the talent around him without being a turnover machine. Dude lands in Tampa with a top 10 OL, some serious weapons and develops a newfound maturity thanks to his travels and family-man status.
NFL means Not For Long. The Browns had a time sensitive decision to make January of 2022. Give Baker a stack of cash or move on. Given the body of work, I didn't blame them for moving on.
I do blame them for the kings ransom that was Watson though. That is absolutely unforgivable.
But to those of you cursing Berry and Stefanski for Baker... grow up (Not necessarily saying you, Zurp. Just quoting your post). Actually clearly remember the past as opposed to skewing the reality of what really happened.
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billmac91
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I think Baker is monumentally overrated anyways, to be honest. He has one of the best WR rooms in the NFL (especially when Godwin comes back), an elite offensive line, good depth at RB, and a solid defense behind him.......and most IMPORTANTLY...........THE WORST DIVISION IN NFL FOOTBALL, BY FAR, COMBINED WITH THE BEST PLAYING CONDITIONS, BY FAR, IN THE NFL. The fact he gets to play half his games on the best field in the NFL, as voted by the players is already a big bonus. Then add in he gets a game every year in New Orleans, Atlanta, and Carolina. Terrible teams that also happen to play in perfect conditions.
Sorry for the caps, but you juxtapose the AFC North competitiveness, combined with the brutal playing conditions (Browns, Bengals, Steelers, and Ravens are all pretty miserable come mid November). IMO, Baker was never going to work long-term in CLE. It's easy to point at his recent success in Tampa and think CLE made an idiotic decision in moving on from him, but I personally think (2) things can be true at once.....chasing DeShaun and giving away all those picks was moronic, but keeping Baker on likely would not have changed the trajectory of this franchise.
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