Cleveland Browns (2014 Season)

[tsteele316]

There are only two redeeming parts of this season. First, Buffalo appears to be a major dumpster fire. Second, josh Gordon is going to try and bring down the entire NFL drug testing system. I sort of hope he gets suspended for the year and his lawyer files the injunction and lawsuit they allegedly already have drafted.

 

[Buckeneye]

I'd like to think its possible we secure two top 5 picks this year. I mean, if you're gonna suck, might as well go all out with it.

*We all know that won't happen. We'll win one damn game that we shouldn't and it will cost us the player that will help most. Every. Fucking. Year.

 

[CookyPuss]

I'd like to think its possible we secure two top 5 picks this year. I mean, if you're gonna suck, might as well go all out with it.

*We all know that won't happen. We'll win one damn game that we shouldn't and it will cost us the player that will help most. Every. Fucking. Year.

Except you forgot the part where they trade for the #22 pick to draft a sucky QB who will be deemed the team's messiah.

 

[exhawg]

There are only two redeeming parts of this season. First, Buffalo appears to be a major dumpster fire. Second, josh Gordon is going to try and bring down the entire NFL drug testing system. I sort of hope he gets suspended for the year and his lawyer files the injunction and lawsuit they allegedly already have drafted.

That would be the best bet for Gordon. Probably be able to get out of any suspension thanks to Ohio drug testing laws.

 

[Buckeneye]

Except you forgot the part where they trade for the #22 pick to draft a sucky QB who will be deemed the team's messiah.

Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me three times, and I'm a fucktard.

 

[Buckeneye]

Any chance we see Bitonio move too RT and Schwartz to RG? I mean, last week was bad but last night was worse.

 

[ysubuck]

Schwartz is turrrrrible. I mean, come on. I'm watching other teams this pre season and it's like they are playing a different game.

2-14.

 

[NFBuck]

I give Pettine

Schwartz is turrrrrible. I mean, come on. I'm watching other teams this pre season and it's like they are playing a different game.

2-14.

Nah, that's the thing about the clowns...they even suck at sucking. They're never shitty enough to get one of the top 1-3 picks. They always win a few meaningless games...just enough to miss out on the really elite guys...5-11

 

[Bucklion]

Leon McFadden=Championships

 

[exhawg]

Stick it to the league Josh

http://dawgpoundnation.com/2014/08/22/browns-news-josh-gordons-camp-unwilling-to-settle/

I read another article that was pretty certain that Gordon could get out of any suspension based on Ohio drug testing rules that say a test must be taken as a whole and not split into 2 samples. Ohio law would come into play based on the Vikings players that went after the league a few years ago. Any legal action would probably take a year or two during which Gordon could play. I wonder if the league is going to drag their feet until the day before the first game so that Gordon will have to sit for a game before he can get the injunction?

 

[BayBuck]

Stick it to the league Josh

http://dawgpoundnation.com/2014/08/22/browns-news-josh-gordons-camp-unwilling-to-settle/

I read another article that was pretty certain that Gordon could get out of any suspension based on Ohio drug testing rules that say a test must be taken as a whole and not split into 2 samples. Ohio law would come into play based on the Vikings players that went after the league a few years ago. Any legal action would probably take a year or two during which Gordon could play. I wonder if the league is going to drag their feet until the day before the first game so that Gordon will have to sit for a game before he can get the injunction?

As I read it, the first test was positive for being above 15 ng/ml, and then the confirmatory test was also positive due to having a significantly lower "limit of detection" threshold (which I have read as 3.0 ng/ml), meaning 13.6 still confirms the initial positive test despite being below the initial testing threshold. So while Ohio law states "All specimens which test negative on the initial test or negative on the confirmatory test shall be reported as negative", I don't know that I see a requirement that both tests have the same threshold to be considered positive.

http://codes.ohio.gov/oac/123:1-76
http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010 Drug Policy.pdf

 

[AKAK]

As I read it, the first test was positive for being above 15 ng/ml, and then the confirmatory test was also positive due to having a significantly lower "limit of detection" threshold (which I have read as 3.0 ng/ml), meaning 13.6 still confirms the initial positive test despite being below the initial testing threshold. So while Ohio law states "All specimens which test negative on the initial test or negative on the confirmatory test shall be reported as negative", I don't know that I see a requirement that both tests have the same threshold to be considered positive.

http://codes.ohio.gov/oac/123:1-76
http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010 Drug Policy.pdf

I think the point is, as an employer you can set the "positive threshold" which is 15 ng/ml for the NFL (and as a result the Browns), what Ohio is then saying is they both have to be above that. (I read somewhere that WADA is like 150, but whatever, dont' quote me it was someone rambling anyway, it may not be the case.) Point being that the NFL has set the "positive" threshold at 15 ng/ml and so in Ohio's view the confirmatory test is "negative" since its below that. Assuming your quotes above are what Ohio law says, its right there.

 

[BayBuck]

I think the point is, as an employer you can set the "positive threshold" which is 15 ng/ml for the NFL (and as a result the Browns), what Ohio is then saying is they both have to be above that. (I read somewhere that WADA is like 150, but whatever, dont' quote me it was someone rambling anyway, it may not be the case.) Point being that the NFL has set the "positive" threshold at 15 ng/ml and so in Ohio's view the confirmatory test is "negative" since its below that. Assuming your quotes above are what Ohio law says, its right there.

Actually it seems like the Ohio language I quoted refers to "negative" testing and reporting, but I don't see in that language how it would prohibit the NFL guidelines from having its separate thresholds for initial and confirmatory testing:
"The “B” bottle Test need only show that the substance, revealed in the “A” bottle Test, is evident to the “limits of detection” to confirm the results of the “A” bottle Test."

The first is negative under 15, the second is negative under 3: so neither is negative in this case. I mean, I can see the argument the other way, but there's going to be big time lawyers on both sides of this thing.

More than that, I'm also probably not 100% convinced that that section of the OAC (Drug-Free Workplace Program), which seems to apply primarily to "state employees and applicants for state employment", holds sway over the NFL/NFLPA CBA, and in fact it may even allow for a CBA to regulate the terms of re-testing:

Employees who have a positive drug test result may ask for a retest of the original specimen according to procedures and specifications of applicable federal regulations, or in the absence of such regulations, any governing collective bargaining agreement or, in the absence of such agreement, according to procedures and specifications of the director of the department of administrative services.

On the other, other hand, though, I could see the NFL greasing the skids for Gordon to pull off the miracle upset here, just because there's so much bad PR about the Rice/Gordon suspension disparity, and everyone ultimately bends to the will of the enraged masses these days.

 

[Buckeneye]

So lower level tickets are $14. Go get shit-housed in the Muni lot, watch the Browns get their collective ass beat while bringing up repressed child-hood memories, then realizing anyone younger than me hasn't actually seen successful Browns team in their lives.

Or... Pay a bum to kick me square in the dick...? Decisions, decisions.

 

[Bucklion]

So lower level tickets are $14. Go get [Mark May]-housed in the Muni lot, watch the Browns get their collective ass beat while bringing up repressed child-hood memories, then realizing anyone younger than me hasn't actually seen successful Browns team in their lives.

Or... Pay a bum to kick me square in the dick...? Decisions, decisions.

Is the bum wearing steel-toed shoes?